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Actually Uschi, it wouldn't be torture to ANYONE.
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According to medical experts, when a feeding tube is removed, it is standard procedure to start a patient on morphine. The extent of Schiavo's brain damage means she is not conscious of pain, but the customary procedure would probably be followed anyway, the experts said.
How can it be torture if she isn't conscious of pain.
I didn't know [about the] drip.
Actually, the drip wasn't the point either. The morphine drip is just procedural.
The point is that due to the extent of her brain damage, she is oblivious to pain and suffering, hunger or thirst.
Then why the morphine? And why do I keep hearing that she'll be in a euphoric state when she dies? I'm still baffled why some people are so clearly excited to see this woman starved to death.
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Who's excited to see her die?
Examples, please.
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Who's excited to see her die?
Examples, please.
I've been staying out of this issue for the most part, because it is an emotional one and I don't really want to get into it, but you turn on the TV and you hear what a great victory it is that we're prohibiting these parrents from feeding thier daughter.
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Oh, and there's Paul: Quote:
I agree with Rex. I'd think Christians would want to free her soul from that prison of a body. A body that is capable of only the most rudimentary form of "life".
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Who's excited to see her die?
Examples, please.
I've been staying out of this issue for the most part, because it is an emotional one and I don't really want to get into it, but you turn on the TV and you hear what a great victory it is that we're prohibiting these parrents from feeding thier daughter.
Until I see it, I do not believe that anyone has said "It's a great victory that we're prohibiting these parents from feeding their daughter."
You cannot, IMHO, assert that people are "excited to see her die" and then claim "Oh, I am staying out of it." I'm calling you on it.
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You cannot, IMHO, assert that people are "excited to see her die" and then claim "Oh, I am staying out of it." I'm calling you on it.
But I answered your question. by saying I'm staying out of it, I just don't know who all the players in this are, but if you haven't heard anyone who's excited about the decision then that's fine, I guess that's possible (assuming you haven't been reading Paul's posts, that boy seems shocked that anyone wouldn't be happy about this and yet WE'RE the vampires).
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But I answered your question. by saying I'm staying out of it
If your intent was to stay out of it, then you shouldn't have remarked, "people are excited to see her die." That's not the kind of comment you can just walk away from...
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But I answered your question. by saying I'm staying out of it
If your intent was to stay out of it, then you shouldn't have remarked, "people are excited to see her die." That's not the kind of comment you can just walk away from...
But I didn't walk away from it..... Where did I go? last I checked I was here to respond to your question. I don't get the purpous of this brow beating. How do you insist that I'm walking away from my comment when I answered it. This is why I had been staying out of it, because we're just latching on to one phrase I used (staying out of it) and misinterpreting it and making claims that are demonstrably false about me. Ignoring half my answer in order to do so.
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Great response. It really got to the heart of the matter, but let the record show that at least one of us didn't walk away. I'm pretty close to treating your posts as r3x posts because they're starting to saound the same.
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As you wish.
"Let the record..." LOL. You love big pronouncements, don't ya?
Your misspellings are getting harder to decipher anyway.
As I see it, you said that people are excited to see this woman die. I asked you to point out where you saw "people excited to see this woman die." You didn't. Let the record show that.
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As you wish.
"Let the record..." LOL. You love big pronouncements, don't ya?
Your misspellings are getting harder to decipher anyway.
As I see it, you said that people are excited to see this woman die. I asked you to point out where you saw "people excited to see this woman die." You didn't. Let the record show that.
That will be fine (as long as people don't scoll up this page and read for them selves that I did answer and I even sited an example from this very thread, but fortunately people don't scroll up so we don't have to worry) Oh and --->  ..... now don't you feel ashamed.
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but you turn on the TV and you hear what a great victory it is that we're prohibiting these parrents from feeding thier daughter.
Does not count as an example. But hey, if I missed something you said earlier, I apologize. It's probably cause I couldn't decipher it due to all the misspellings.
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Ok, before this goes nuts...I'm dropping this.
I disagree with WBAM on many things, but I don't want this getting any uglier. I apologize for my own petulance in this.
Truce.
Enough said.
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The federal appeals court just denied a new Schiavo hearing, which means that her family is out of legal options.
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Now some doctors are saying it would be too late to re-insert the tube at this point. She has physically reached the point of no return.
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48 protesters arrested so far. What a bunch of dumbshits.
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is she dead yet? how many days is it now?
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48 protesters arrested so far. What a bunch of dumbshits.
48?That's all?I would have thought the number would have gotten into the high 200s by now.
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One of the Atlanta judges, Justice Stanley Birch, assailed as unconstitutional a law passed by Congress and signed by Bush that sought to get the Schiavo case reviewed by pushing into the federal courts a matter that had long been decided by state courts.
"In resolving the Schiavo controversy it is my judgment that, despite sincerity and altruistic motivation, the legislative and executive branches of our government have acted in a manner demonstrably at odds with our Founding Fathers' blueprint for the governance of a free people -- our Constitution," Birch wrote in an opinion.
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It's a moo point.
Y'know like a cows opinion.
it doesn't really matter.
It's "Moo".
It's nice though to see the theocratic radicals mininformation being posted by the monkey.
Maybe they should have tried using those "facts" during the many court hearings on this issue, eh?
Science is indeed the enemy with these guys and they can always produce "facts" and experts that'll fit their ideological agenda. Be it global warming or Terri Schiavo.
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It's nice though to see the theocratic radicals mininformation being posted by the monkey.
Maybe they should have tried using those "facts" during the many court hearings on this issue, eh?
Acctually if there was anything fuling this post other than one sided ideology perhaps you would have noted that I postd TWO images each making the case for each side of the debate.
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stick your head up your ass....it will be showing in 10 minutes.
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CNN is reporting that Terri has died.
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Yes, she's dead, Jim
Terri Schiavo died Thursday morning around 10 a.m. EST after her parents had plead with her husband Michael Schiavo to allow them to be at their brain-damaged daughter's bedside in her final hours, a spokesman for the family said.
Schiavo died heading into her 14th day without food and water amid what could be the final legal setback for her parents after the U.S. Supreme Court refused again to hear their plea to reinsert Schiavo's feeding tube.
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Wait a tic.....He wouldn't let her parents be with her!? 
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I can't believe a woman has died and you're going around screaming Yahoo!....you are a sick and twisted fuck.
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Sadly, there are probably a lot of people on the side of Michael Schiavo who are more or less saying "yahoo" right now.
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you know what pissed me off the most about this whole thing.......is that the parents who genuinely loved her had no say about what to do with her while her scum ex husband and liberal courts who apparently like starving people to death had all the say.
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you know what is pissing me off about this whole thing? That everybody is getting involved in something they have no damn business getting involved in.
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I'm personally disgusted with the way the media treated this case. It always nauseates me when they overhype, sensationalize, and exploit a tragedy.
As for Terry Schaivo herself...Baruch dayan ha-emet. (This is what we Jews traditionally say when we hear someone has died. It's an acceptance of G-d's judgment, regardless of personal feelings.)
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Neither the Schindlers nor Michael Schiavo behaved with the highest integrity and honor in this sad situation.
The Schindlers ended up accusing Michael Schiavo of all sorts of forms of cruelty, none of it corroborated. And now they have authorized the sale of the names, addresses, and email addresses of their supporters to a direct-mailing company who will bombard these supporters with sales requests.
Michael Schiavo wanted to honor Terri's wishes all the while moving on with his own life (initially encouraged by the Shindlers). Michael refused to allow Terri's parents to be present as Terri neared death. Even despite their years of what has become a bitter hatred, to deny them this is inhuman.
I hope they all get what they deserve, in this life or the next.
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America learned one thing and the lawyers will benefit from it....get a living will.... or some kind of will that specifically says how you want your end life to be handled....
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Y'know what's ironic? Besides rain on your wedding day, that is... From the FOX News article: Quote:
Dr. Alexander Mauskop, a neurologist and director of the New York Headache Center, said the chances are "close to zero" that Schiavo will survive, even if the tube is reattached.
Mauskop said that Schiavo's kidneys have probably failed, a condition that could not be reversed even if water supply to the body was resumed. And despite the Schindlers' claims, Mauskop said, Schiavo could not be conscious with such a severely eroded cerebral cortex.
"She's not suffering at all," he told FOX News, adding, "Maybe it would not be bad to let the parents have their child, even if it's just the body ... maybe they should have the right to come and watch her and think she's alive."
Schindler family spokesman Randall Terry angrily dismissed that assessment, calling Mauskop "Dr. Frankenstein."
....As opposed to any other artificial means of prolonging or manufacturing her life with a series of tubes, plugs, etc., a la Frankenstein?
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