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More than a dozen agents, all of whom asked not to be identified for fear of retribution, said orders relayed by Border Patrol supervisors at the Naco, Ariz., station made it clear that arrests were "not to go up" along the 23-mile section of border that the volunteers monitored to protest illegal immigration.

"It was clear to everyone here what was being said and why," said one veteran agent. "The apprehensions were not to increase after the Minuteman volunteers left. It was as simple as that."

Another agent said the Naco supervisors "were clear in their intention" to keep new arrests to an "absolute minimum" to offset the effect of the Minuteman vigil, adding that patrols along the border have been severely limited.

...Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, yesterday said "credible sources" within the Border Patrol also had told him of the decision by Naco supervisors to keep new arrests to a minimum, saying he was angry but not surprised.

Mr. Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, blamed the Bush administration for setting an immigration enforcement tone that suggests to those enforcing the law that he is not serious about secure borders.

"We need to get the president to come to grips with the seriousness of the problem," he said. "I know he doesn't like to utter the words, 'I was wrong,' but if we have another incident like September 11 by people who came through our borders without permission, I hope he doesn't have to say 'I'm sorry.' "

On April 25, Gregory Despres arrived at the U.S.-Canadian border crossing at Calais, Maine, carrying a homemade sword, a hatchet, a knife, brass knuckles and a chain saw stained with what appeared to be blood. U.S. customs agents confiscated the weapons and fingerprinted Despres. Then they let him into the United States.



The following day, a gruesome scene was discovered in Despres' hometown of Minto, New Brunswick: The decapitated body of a 74-year-old country musician named Frederick Fulton was found on Fulton's kitchen floor. His head was in a pillowcase under a kitchen table. His common-law wife was discovered stabbed to death in a bedroom.

Despres, 22, immediately became a suspect because of a history of violence between him and his neighbors, and he was arrested April 27 after police in Massachusetts saw him wandering down a highway in a sweat shirt with red and brown stains. He is now in jail in Massachusetts on murder charges, awaiting an extradition hearing next month.

At a time when the United States is tightening its borders, how could a man toting what appeared to be a bloody chain saw be allowed into the country?

Bill Anthony, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, said the Canada-born Despres could not be detained because he is a naturalized U.S. citizen and was not wanted on any criminal charges on the day in question.

Anthony conceded it "sounds stupid" that a man wielding what appeared to be a bloody chain saw could not be detained. But he added: "Our people don't have a crime lab up there. They can't look at a chain saw and decide if it's blood or rust or red paint."

On the same day Despres crossed the border, he was due in a Canadian court to be sentenced on charges he assaulted and threatened to kill Fulton's son-in-law, Frederick Mowat, last August.

Mowat told police Despres had been bothering his father-in-law for the past month. When Mowat confronted him, Despres allegedly pulled a knife, pointed it at Mowat's chest and said he was "going to get you all."

Police believe the dispute between the neighbors boiled over in the early-morning hours of April 24, when Despres allegedly broke into Fulton's home and stabbed to death the musician and 70-year-old Veronica Decarie.

Fulton's daughter found her father's body two days later. His car was later found in a gravel pit on a highway leading to the U.S. border. Despres hitchhiked to the border crossing.

In state court the next day, Despres told a judge that he is affiliated with NASA and was on his way to a Marine Corps base in Kansas at the time of his arrest.

After the case was transferred to federal court, Despres' attorney, Michael Andrews, questioned whether his client is mentally competent.

Of the 94 known foreign-born terrorists who operated in the United States between 1993 and 2004, two-thirds of them committed immigration fraud prior to or as part of their terrorist activities, a report said yesterday.

At least 21 became naturalized U.S. citizens before being charged or convicted as terrorists, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) said in a 46-page report.

CIS Executive Director Mark Krikorian said the report "highlights the danger of our lax immigration system, not just in terms of who is allowed in, but also how terrorists, once in the country, used weaknesses in the system to remain here."

"Strict enforcement of immigration law -- at American consulates overseas, at ports of entry, and within the United States -- must be an integral part of our efforts to prevent future attacks on U.S. soil," he said.

The report said the terrorists commonly used temporary visas to gain entry to the United States, and that 18 of them held student visas and another four had applications approved to study in the United States.

At least 17 of the terrorists used visitor visas -- either tourist or business -- to gain entry, although there were 11 instances of passport fraud and 10 cases of visa fraud, the report said. In total, 13 of the terrorists overstayed their temporary visas.

The report, written for CIS by Janice Kephart, who served as counsel to the National Commission on Terror Attacks Upon the United States, said the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were not "an isolated instance of al Qaeda infiltration into the United States."

Dozens of operatives both before and after September 11 had "managed to enter and embed themselves in the United States," actively carrying out plans to commit terrorist acts against U.S. interests or support designated foreign terrorist organizations, it said.

The report noted that although most of the terrorists it identified have been captured or convicted, there was an underlying premise that the report was far from complete because of an assumption that other terrorists have used the same techniques to get into the United States.

Minuteman President Al Garza confirmed Wednesday that about 50 of the organization’s volunteers would come to Brownsville this month for early implementation of their operation [in response to a deployment of Border Patrol agents to aid in hurricane disaster areas.]

The volunteer border watch group, dedicated to stemming illegal immigration, will head to other sites in Rio Grande Valley, Texas and other border states.

Garza might be one of the 50 volunteers who come here, he said, despite the fact that he expects a negative reaction from the members of the Brown Berets, a California-born Hispanic civil rights group that has proclaimed it will combat the Minuteman movement.

Secure Our Borders was slated to begin Oct. 1, but was moved up a month and began Friday. Garza previously had said the group would not come to Brownsville, but the deployment of hundreds of Border Patrol agents to areas affected by Hurricane Katrina changed their plans.

Border Patrol officials in Washington, D.C. confirmed Wednesday that 200 agents were deployed from across the country to aid in relief efforts. The total number of Customs and Border Protection personnel sent to the area is around 400, including Border Patrol agents, spokesman Barry Morrissey said. It is not known how many Valley agents joined the effort.

Garza said the border is more short-handed than before, and the Minutemen are “picking up the slack.” Minutemen sent to this area will “observe, spot and report” illegal activity.

Illegal immigration and terrorism are the group’s chief concerns, he said.

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Captain Sammitch said:
I still think businesses should be expected to pay illegals the same wages as regular workers. Think about it. Once you do that, any incentive for hiring them (cheap labor) is gone.

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MASSENA, N.Y. — Most days, along a certain section of the St. Lawrence Seaway (search) that separates the United States from Canada, Dick Ashlaw and other U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents cruise the waters looking for terrorists, smugglers or illegal aliens trying to cross into New York.

Although Ashlaw said his team catches all the illegals crossing into the country that they see, it’s who the Border Patrol (search) doesn’t see that leaves Agent-on-Charge Ashlaw feeling uneasy.

"It is harder to catch people or terrorists or weapons of mass destruction up here than it is on the southern border," Ashlaw said, adding that there are far more border agents on the southern U.S. border — equipped with high-tech tools like sensors and cameras — than there are on the country's northern border.

Making this area even more difficult to patrol is a sovereign Indian reservation that spans across the border of both countries.

“That may be Canada, but it is part of the reservation, so they [illegal immigrants] can pass freely from one side to the other," Ashlaw said.

A fence already marks the U.S. border with Mexico but in some places, it's no more than a strand of wire or metal rail.

Where a real barrier exists, it works. Illegal immigrants (search) are forced to travel long distances to get around miles of tall steel and razor wire.

Now, a group of border activists are pushing for a new, bigger fence — more like a Berlin Wall — from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean.

"If we don't stop the illegal immigration problem at the border, the problem will grow in far more dangerous ways ... because illegal immigration from Mexico provides easy cover for terrorists," says one national television ad sponsored by Weneedafence.com, a project of Let Freedom Ring, Inc.

The TV spot focuses not on the politically charged issue of illegal Hispanic immigration but border crossers who may be a security threat, especially those caught who originated from suspected sponsors of state terrorism

"What are people from Yemen and Syria and Iran doing in Mexico trying to enter the U.S. illegally? This is an issue that requires a wall," said Colin Hanna of Weneedafence.com. "We are absolutely not anti-Hispanic, we do not think the fence should be perceived as anti-Hispanic, or anti-Mexican, we are not anti-immigrant, we are pro-immigration, but we are pro- legal immigration."

Hanna's group hopes to persuade Congress to take on the $8 billion project but aside from the cost, Hispanic activists claim that good neighbors build bridges, not fences, and that a fence will stigmatize people fighting for their shot at the American dream.

"I think what we're doing is criminalizing work and criminalizing the need of families to be together," said Angela Sanbrano of the Central American Resource Center, an open-borders interest group.

Years ago, the idea of a great wall on the southern border would have been dead on arrival in Congress, but times have changed. Polls now show that more than 80 percent of Americans like the idea, and it has bipartisan support. One House bill has bipartisan support but is nowhere near ready for passage by the entire Congress.

Many Democrats favor the concept because the downward pressure on wages from illegal immigrants is hurting organized labor (search). Republicans, meanwhile, also like the wall for national security reasons.

The high-top sneakers cost $215 at a San Diego boutique, but the designer is giving them away to migrants before they cross to this side of the U.S.-Mexico border.
These are no ordinary shoes.

A compass and flashlight dangle from one shoelace. The pocket in the tongue is for money or pain relievers. A rough map of the border region is printed on a removable insole.

They are red, white and green, the colors of the Mexican flag. On the back ankle, a drawing of Mexico's patron saint of migrants.

On this side of the border, the shoes sit in art collections or the closets of well-heeled sneaker connoisseurs. On the other side, in Tijuana, it's a utilitarian affair: Immigrants to be are happy to have the sturdy, lightweight shoes for the hike – or dash – into the United States.

Their designer is Judi Werthein, an Argentine artist who moved to New York in 1997 – legally, she notes.

On recent evening in Tijuana, after giving away 50 pairs at a migrant shelter, Werthein waved the insole and pointed to Interstate 8, the main road between San Diego and Phoenix.

"This blue line is where you want to go," Werthein, 38, said in Spanish.

"Good luck! You're all very courageous," she told the cheering crowd of about 50 men huddled in a recreation room after dinner.

Werthein has concluded that shoes are a border crosser's most important garment.

"If people are going to cross anyway, at least this will make it safer."

Only 1,000 pairs of the "Brinco" sneakers (it means "Jump" in Spanish) have been made – in China, for $17 each. The shoes were introduced in August at inSite, an art exhibition in San Diego and Tijuana whose sponsors include nonprofit foundations and private collectors.

Benefactors put up $40,000 for the project; Werthein gets a $5,000 stipend, plus expenses.

President Bush will make stops in Arizona and Texas this week to address an issue that has divided some members of his own Republican Party -- illegal immigration.

After spending the holiday weekend with family at his Crawford ranch, the president will visit Tucson, Arizona, on Monday, and El Paso, Texas, on Tuesday.

A senior administration official said that the president, in a speech on immigration, will focus on three areas: border security, enforcement and a temporary worker program.

The official said the president will talk about "additional resources and the use of technology to secure the border," and will discuss it in terms of national security and the economy.

Bush also is expected to raise the issue of interior enforcement. The administration official said that includes "interior repatriation," or returning illegal immigrants from Mexico to the interior of the country instead of on the other side of the border.

Last week California State Representative James Campbell won a special election to fill the U.S. House of Representatives seat vacated when Chris Cox was appointed to chair the Securities and Exchange Commission this summer.

(However,) Jim Gilchrist, founder of the volunteer border-watching group known as the Minutemen, ran as an independent on a border-security platform, and garnered about a quarter of the vote. In fact, Gilchrist actually won among voters who cast ballots on election day; Campbell needed absentee ballots to put him over the top.

Lawmakers in Washington are taking this political signal very seriously. Before the election, Bob Novak reported that the sense among Republicans on Capitol Hill was that "a strong showing by Gilchrist -- anything above 20 to 25 percent" would doom the guest-worker program favored by President Bush. After the election, an anonymous congressman told John Fund that "members will be spooked at the thought of primary challengers or third-party candidates draining votes from them with an immigrant-bashing platform."

the Minutemen have a 54% percent favorable rating and only a 22% unfavorable rating, according to Rassmussen Reports.

The Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, led by Tom Tancredo of Colorado, issued a staff report in June titled "Results and Implications of the Minuteman Project" indicating that during a month-long period of intense activity in Arizona, the volunteers demonstrated some important facts about border enforcement.

For one thing, adding manpower at the border is quite effective: "An average six additional personnel on station per border mile proved effective in dramatically reducing illegal crossings." For another, adding manpower at the border does not require the two years of training that the Border Patrol officers receive: "[T]he Minutemen demonstrated that auxiliary personnel can be trained and deployed in three days. The lesser duties of supporting higher-trained Border Patrol and other state and federal law enforcement agencies does not require the full legal skills of Border Patrol agents."

It would take 36,000 additional personnel to seal the Southern border. Tancredo and Gilchrist favor using the National Guard for this purpose, but that would be a dubious use of military resources: The permeability of the Mexican border, while dismaying, is not the national security emergency that many immigration hawks portray it as. As Richard Miniter persuasively argues in Disinformation: 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror, it is very unlikely that terrorists would enter the U.S. through Mexico. Canada has Muslim communities that radicals can blend into and move through freely; Mexico does not. (The Canadians, thankfully, have been cooperative in helping beef up border security.)

But a new force to support the Border Patrol along the Minuteman model, which could be built up relatively quickly, is well worth pursuing.

The Minutemen don't just operate at the border, and their work in the interior can guide policymakers, too. Minutemen in Virginia, according to a Washington Post report last month, have been photographing day laborers and the contractors who hire them with the intent of creating a database to turn over to the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS should be able to use this information to determine whether employers are following employment-tax laws. It's not a bad strategy for the feds themselves to try out, and may even appeal to liberals who fret over the treatment of "undocumented" workers: As Michelle Cottle put it in an online New Republic column, "why not go after the demand for [illegal] labor at least as vigorously as the supply? In the best cases, these employers are cheating the system by hiring dirt-cheap workers on whom they won't pay taxes. In the worst, they are abusing some of our society's most legally vulnerable members."

The city council Costa Mesa voted last month to allow its police officers to question suspects arrested for other crimes about their immigration status. Mayor Allan Mansoor insists that enforcement will focus on those accused of serious crimes and that random sweeps are not part of the plan.

Protestors who attended a city council meeting, however, said the initiative was racist. About 80 of them turned up waving hand-painted signs reading "Nobody Is Illegal" and "Mansoor Is a Bigot." Other signs proclaimed the United States the property of Mexico and Americans as the interlopers.

"We demand a reversal of the agreement," said Coyotl Tezcalipoca of the Tonantzin Collective, a pro-immigrant group.

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We demand a reversal of the agreement," said Coyotl Tezcalipoca of the Tonantzin Collective, a pro-immigrant group.</p>

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Fuckin hardcore Aztec name.

But he can still shut the fuck up.

Frustrated by congressional inaction and pushed by rising anger at home, legislatures across the country are debating a variety of tough new restrictions on illegal immigrants.

For years, states deferred to the federal government on immigration matters, but as illegal immigrants have spread throughout the country and Congress has been unable to pass an immigration reform bill, that has changed.

In the first six months of last year, states considered about 300 immigration-related bills and passed 36 of them, the National Conference of State Legislatures said.

This year, the proposals include cutting off benefits to illegal immigrants, allowing local police to identify those in the country illegally and, in Arizona, sending National Guard troops to secure the Mexican border.

"You can say it's a federal problem all you want, but the truth is it's in your backyard so the problem's yours," said Susan Tully of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, an advocacy group that seeks to reduce illegal immigration.

President Bush last year called for beefing up border security and a guest-worker program to allow migrants to work legally in the U.S. But the proposal stalled in Congress, and states said they were forced to act to control illegalimmigration.

But since 1990, there has been a tenfold increase in the number of illegal immigrants living outside these areas. States far from the Mexican border, such as Minnesota and New Hampshire, began fielding complaints about the proliferation of Spanish-language signs and increased burdens on public hospitals and schools.

"What is new is the extent of immigration, some of it legal, some of it not, in new communities across the country," said John Trasvina of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. "They don't know how to deal with it so they freak out and pass laws."

The Ohio County prosecutor says an illegal Mexican immigrant was staying with a family in the county.

The victim's mother says she trusted that family and let her child spend the night at the home where the 10 year old girl was taken advantage of.

Diego Lopez-Mendez pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the second degree but also pleaded with the judge not to give an excessive sentence.

"In the pueblo where I grew up girls are usually married by 13 years old....I was unaware of the nature of the offense or that it was a bad crime," said Lopez

The judge handed down the mandatory 10-25 years sentence.

GOOD FOR ARIZONA!  IT'S ABOUT TIME

Arizona's Governor Janet Napolitano has ordered
additional National Guard
troops to the Arizona / Mexico border.  The goal is to help stop illegal
immigrants from crossing the border.  There were already 170 Guardsmen on
the border, no word on how many more will head down there.  Napolitano gets
that part right ... sending more troops. She gets this part wrong.  She says
that we are not at war with Mexico.  Sorry, but in a very real sense we are
at war with Mexico.  We're being invaded.  The Mexican government is sending
waves of its citizens into the United States for the specific purpose of
draining money from the US economy and having it sent back to Mexico.  The
Mexican government has some real problems with funding needed social
services.  Every dollar that an illegal worker in the US sends back to his
family in Mexico is a dollar that the Mexican government doesn't have to
spend to provide needed services to that family.  And just how many dollars
are we talking about?  Try $15 billion.  This flow of money is important
enough to the Mexican economy that the Mexican government actually promotes
the wave of illegal immigration by printing
comic books with instructions to
Mexicans as to how to cross the border into the US, stay alive and get a
job, all without being caught.  It's an economic invasion, and American
workers are footing the bill.  At least we have one governor who isn't
afraid to take some action.                

President Bush yesterday said illegal aliens, even longtime residents with families, should not get "automatic citizenship" as part of any new guest-worker program.

He stressed border security and said his administration is working to end the "catch-and-release" policy under which non-Mexican illegal aliens are processed and released with the usually false hope they will return for a hearing and deportation.

As for the issue of what happens to the estimated 12 million illegal aliens already here, including longtime residents with families and roots here, Mr. Bush said they should not be able to jump in line ahead of those who have waited legally for citizenship.

"My answer is, that person shouldn't get automatic citizenship," he said.

Immigration agents arrested seven executives and hundreds of employees of a manufacturer of crates and pallets Wednesday as part of a crackdown on employers of illegal workers.

Authorities raided offices and plants of IFCO Systems in at least nine states, the culmination of a yearlong criminal investigation, law enforcement officials said.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested seven current and former IFCO Systems managers on charges they conspired to transport, harbor and encourage illegal workers to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain, said Glenn T. Suddaby, the chief federal prosecutor in Albany, N.Y., where some arrests were made.

ICE spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback confirmed an unspecified number of raids and arrests, but declined to provide additional details because the investigation was continuing. One official, speaking on condition of anonymity because numbers were still being tallied, said the arrests were in the hundreds.

Raids took place at several locations in upstate New York and in Biglerville, Pa., Charlotte, N.C., Cincinnati, Houston, Indianapolis, Phoenix, Richmond, Va., and Westborough, Mass.

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Language barrier faulted in Rita bus fire

DALLAS (AP) — The death of 23 nursing home residents aboard a bus that caught fire while fleeing Hurricane Rita could have been prevented if the driver had inspected the vehicle before leaving and known enough English to direct people to safety, according to sheriff's documents.

The documents, which included affidavits by investigators and passengers, were used to build a negligent homicide case against Juan Robles Gutierrez. A grand jury refused to indict him for the Sept. 23 accident near Dallas.

Gutierrez, a Mexican national, has been ordered to cooperate in a federal case against his employer, Jim Maples, the owner of bus company Global Limo. Maples allegedly falsified driver logbooks and failed to maintain buses.

According to the documents, obtained by The Dallas Morning News, Robles admitted that he switched the bus' license plates to avoid police detection. He was illegally driving with a Mexican license.

In addition, the documents faulted Robles for driving 15 hours non-stop as the bus ferried the passengers away from a Houston-area nursing home as the hurricane approached.

"The combination of all of these factors proved to be lethal," sheriff's deputies wrote. "The driver's actions, had he been in compliance with the laws of this state and the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, could have prevented the loss of 23 lives."

The bus was set on fire by a malfunctioning back wheel on Interstate 45, and oxygen tanks used by the residents exploded in the heat. Nineteen people survived.

"He was unable to communicate with passengers regarding emergency exits prior to the trip, and he could not give them adequate warning that there were problems when the bus caught fire," wrote Sgt. Kevin Feinglas.

Robles told investigators that he helped three people off the bus and tried to rescue passengers after authorities reached the scene. Witnesses also said they saw him assisting with rescue efforts.

Robles' brother, Rodolfo Robles Gutierrez, told the newspaper for Thursday's editions that the driver was not at fault in the incident and tried to help.

"He was not a mechanic," he said. "If he had ran away, then it would be negligence. That never happened. He always tried to cooperate and help."

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President Bush plans to call for troops and a high-tech "virtual" fence to beef up the border with Mexico when he speaks to the nation on immigration Monday night.

The get-tough approach will be coupled with a renewed push to give illegal aliens a chance to get in line for U.S. citizenship, said a source briefed on the speech.

"He'll talk about deploying troops, strengthening border control, more raids on companies that hire illegals, a virtual fence, and letting those who are here already get in line," the source said.

The virtual fence could include lasers and unmanned aerial drones as well as cement barriers, the source said.

There's growing talk that Bush will call up National Guard units to help police the border. Southern lawmakers pressed Bush political guru Karl Rove to do just that this week.

Border-state Arizona already has 170 National Guard troops helping to patrol, and Gov. Janet Napolitano's office says military help "is basically what she has been asking for."

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BUSH'S PLAN TO STEM ALIEN TIDE

President Bush plans to call for troops and a high-tech "virtual" fence to beef up the border with Mexico when he speaks to the nation on immigration Monday night.

The get-tough approach will be coupled with a renewed push to give illegal aliens a chance to get in line for U.S. citizenship, said a source briefed on the speech.

"He'll talk about deploying troops, strengthening border control, more raids on companies that hire illegals, a virtual fence, and letting those who are here already get in line," the source said.

The virtual fence could include lasers and unmanned aerial drones as well as cement barriers, the source said.

There's growing talk that Bush will call up National Guard units to help police the border. Southern lawmakers pressed Bush political guru Karl Rove to do just that this week.

Border-state Arizona already has 170 National Guard troops helping to patrol, and Gov. Janet Napolitano's office says military help "is basically what she has been asking for."

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whomod said:
Perchance, are you a Superman fan?

Johnathan and Martha Kent can now be considered committing a felony for harboring and aiding an illegal alien.

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King Snarf said:
This is the only page of this thread I've read. But you know, they say great minds think alike.

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Many people today are against illegal immigrants. But ponder this- do you know who is an illegal alien? Superman. I don't see any pundits calling for DC to do a story where he gets shipped back to Krypton.

Now, I'll grant you that that's a ridiculous statement. But, quite frankly, I find all this uproar ridiculous. The problem seems to be that people are traveling to this country, seeking a better life, and are crowding out the people who've lived here for generations. Well, guess what? That's EXACTLY how this country was founded. It's okay for the Pilgrims to do it but not for a guy from Guadalajara who's making $2 an hour picking vegetables in a field for 10 hours a day?

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This is the only page of this thread I've read. But you know, they say great minds think alike.

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Acctually, he was refering to you as whomod. Only whomod would refer to whomod as a great mind, but let me be the first to formally welcome you back, whomod.

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The problem seems to be that people are traveling to this country, seeking a better life, and are crowding out the people who've lived here for generations. Well, guess what? That's EXACTLY how this country was founded. It's okay for the Pilgrims to do it but not for a guy from Guadalajara who's making $2 an hour picking vegetables in a field for 10 hours a day?

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well of course not snarf, the pilgrims were white.

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