RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Rudy in '08

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PJP said:
MEM,

do you think Paul Mcartney is a bad guy?

John Lennon?
Kevin Costner?
Val Kilmer?
Hugh Grant?
John F. Kennedy Jr.? (who was headed towards divorce with that psycho bitch he married)
Any Kennedy Man?
Chipper Jones?
Jeff Gordon?


all were in nasty divorce battles.

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the G-man said:
But why should he, given your argument falls on the outdated and, in your case, hypocritical premise that divorce and/or a troubled family life somehow disqualifies a republican candidate?

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PJP said:
John Lennon......had almost no relationship with Julian. Julian says Paul was always more like a father to him.

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Matter-eater Man said:
Rudy clearly ducked abortion, gun control & gay rights issues.

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PJP said:
Only Siths speak in absolutes Ray.

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PJP said:
Only Siths speak in absolutes Ray.

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Rudy Giuliani Asks for Privacy Over Questions About Relationship With Son

MONTEREY PARK, Calif.  —  Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani asked for privacy Monday to deal with strained relationships within his family, and defended his wife as a "very loving and caring" mother and stepmother.
The Republican presidential candidate came to Southern California to speak with sheriffs about gang violence, but found himself answering questions about his family after his son, Andrew, publicly said their relationship had become distant after Giuliani's messy divorce from Andrew's mother, Donna Hanover, and his later marriage to Judith Nathan.
"My wife Judith is a very loving and caring ... mother and stepmother. She has done everything she can. The responsibility is mine," Giuliani told reporters gathered outside the Los Angeles County Sheriff's headquarters.
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Matter-eater Man said:If Rudy really wanted privacy then he shouldn't have ran for President.

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Matter-eater Man said:
I see a difference between the two. Rudy is a republican. Obama is a democrat

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the G-man said:
I'm not sure why you'd imply I'm the one wanting to have it both ways on this issue, Piggy.

I've never said that Clinton's (or any other democrats') adultury or divorces made him unfit to be president. I've said that he was wrong to lie about it under oath and I've said its hypocritical for supporters of his to defend him and not Giuliani.

MEM, on the other hand, slams Rudy for it every chance he gets, while supporting the Clintons.

Who's the one trying to have it both ways here?

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the G-man said:
But if wanted to follow your chain of logic, and I don't, I could note the following:

Its been established that Bill cheated on Hillary. Multiple times. Including with a young woman not much older than Chelsea. Hillary has accepted this and stayed with Bill despite his muliple acts of adultury.

It is more or less indisputable that parents' behaviors affect their children. Parents are, of course, role models. For example, there are studies that indicate adultery scars children. There is also the concept that Hillary, by staying with Bill, has taught her daughter that it is okay to stay with a man who devalues you to the point of cheating on you.

Therefore, using your chain of logic, Bill and Hillary, as well as Rudy, have all been bad parents.

Yet of the three, you seem to feel that bad parenting disqualifies the candidate in only one case. That case, of course, being the Republicans.

As noted above, I don't feel that Bill and Hillary's bad parenting disqualified them to hold office. I feel the same way about Rudy.

I'm consistent. You, Chris, are not.

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Matter-eater Man said:
The problem is Rudy missed more than a graduation G-man. Is it really that hard to believe that I actually don't care for "Dad's" like Rudy who stop seeing their kids from previous marriages? That doesn't say anything negative about his character in your book?

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Pariah said:

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Matter-eater Man said:
The problem is Rudy missed more than a graduation G-man. Is it really that hard to believe that I actually don't care for "Dad's" like Rudy who stop seeing their kids from previous marriages? That doesn't say anything negative about his character in your book?

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I'm more concerned about rapists, hypocrites, and enemy sympathizers than I am of presidents who have family problems.

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By Craig Crawford
Published: March 5, 2007

It was not an encouraging weekend for those who predict that conservative Republicans will overlook Rudy Giuliani’s moderate social views. Even the Newsweek poll showing the former New York City mayor on top of the GOP presidential race revealed the challenge he faces.

Despite leading his closest rival, Arizona Sen. John McCain, by 59 percent to 34 percent in a hypothetical matchup in the nationwide survey, one-third of Republican voters said they know “little or nothing” about him.

Moreover, half of the self-identified social conservatives say that his support for abortion rights will make them less likely to support him. Giuliani’s support for gun control and his opposition to a ban on same-sex marriage also bothered conservatives.

But the worst news for “America’s Mayor” was losing Saturday’s straw ballot to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at the Conservative Political Action Conference, where Giuliani had hoped to disprove conventional wisdom that a social moderate cannot win the Republican nomination.

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Giuliani, who is the leading Republican presidential candidate in most polls, took on the mob and turned violent and seedy New York City into an American jewel.

"I'm running for president because of the big challenge we face in terrorism," he said. Sometimes it's not described properly. It's described as the 'War on Terror,' as if it's our war against them. It's their war against us. They are planning to come here and kill us. But we're on offense against them. If we go back the way we used to be, if we go back on defense, we're going to be in serious jeopardy."

I asked Giuliani if the U.S. was involved in a world war.

"We're in a world war in the sense that the people who are planning to kill us are in different parts of the world," Giuliani began.

"It is not a world war in the scope of the first or second world wars, because we're not in a war with adversaries with tremendous power, who have armies equal to ours; economies anywhere near our economy. You could call it a 'World Guerrilla War.' I think the better analogy for us if we want a comparison to our history and we want to do it right is the Cold War, where the physical part of this war is a small part, meaning, we have the engagement, we have their attack in '93, we have the attack on our military, we had the (USS) Cole we didn't respond to, we had the attack on the World Trade Center, we had the attack in England, and we've engaged in Afghanistan and Iraq. The casualties are heartbreaking and they're terrible, but they amount to the casualties in one battle in the Civil War. The point is this is a big psychological war."

Giuliani said the reason he's seeking the presidency is "the country needs a different spirit. We're a very strong country. We've got great strengths. I think we need to go beyond that, take a good look at ourselves, and say the following to ourselves: We're the luckiest people in the world; nobody luckier in the history of the world. Nobody has had more wealth, more people coming out of poverty, more freedom, more of an opportunity to do good than Americans in the beginning of this century. If we can't get it right, nobody can."

As for Iraq, he said he would have taken out Saddam in 2003, just as President Bush did. "Saddam was a large pillar of support for world terrorism," Giuliani said. "The way to deconstruct world terrorism is if you take away its support."

Pulling out of Iraq now, he said, would be a catastrophe, leading to "genocide" as the Shiites would slaughter the Sunnis, with the conflict growing into a regional war as Sunnis from Saudi Arabia, Jordan and other southern gulf nations would take up arms.

"I may have made the same mistakes he (President Bush) made," Giuliani said. "Lincoln made an enormous amount of mistakes. You learn from mistakes. We had too few troops, not for the invasion, but for the occupation. We had too few troops by 150,000. We never internalized our mission on nation building for fear of looking 'imperialistic.' "

"Here's what I would do now," Giuliani said. "Now we're doing what we should be doing. Pacify the areas; we should do a better job of holding them. We should do a third thing. We should get the country working again. Get the unemployment down from 60 to 30 percent and maybe this thing can work. I'll try and make it work because the price of leaving is horrendous."

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the G-man said:
Giuliani Pledges to Fight the 'World Guerrilla War'

[LIST]Giuliani, who is the leading Republican presidential candidate in most polls, took on the mob and turned violent and seedy New York City into an American jewel.

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the G-man said:
Giuliani Pledges to Fight the 'World Guerrilla War'...Giuliani, who is the leading Republican presidential candidate in most polls, took on the mob and turned violent and seedy New York City into an American jewel.

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Matter-eater Man said:
I thought NYC looked better with the two towers myself.

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Oh, so now you think Rudy caused 9/11?

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Matter-eater Man said:

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the G-man said:
Giuliani Pledges to Fight the 'World Guerrilla War'

[LIST]Giuliani, who is the leading Republican presidential candidate in most polls, took on the mob and turned violent and seedy New York City into an American jewel.

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I thought NYC looked better with the two towers myself.

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