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Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Heinz sides with scienceFriday, April 8, 2005 By David M. Brown, TRIBUNE-REVIEW Teresa Heinz has chimed in on the debate over whether evolution should be taught in high schools to explain life on Earth, as opposed to religious concepts such as creationism.
She came down on the side of teaching evolution, saying that in no way conflicts with her personal religious faith.
"I believe God did create us, and that evolution was his tool. I see no contradiction at all between science and religion -- none," she said during a speech Thursday night at an event in Pittsburgh.
"The purpose of science is to teach science and not religion," she added.
Heinz, a Roman Catholic, said only God "could create such a complex and beautiful thing" as life.
"I'm glad to be back in Pittsburgh," she said. "It's an honor always to be working in Pittsburgh."
She and her husband, Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., used the Pittsburgh region as a key staging area in Kerry's presidential bid as the Democratic nominee against President Bush.
Heinz, chairwoman of the Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies, gave the keynote address kicking off "Pittsburgh 2005: Health and the Environment," a three-day conference in Shadyside.
The event, held at the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute, is a regional meeting of the Collaborative on Health and the Environment in Pennsylvania.
The issue of teaching evolution in public schools, long a subject of contention, heated up again in October when a school board in a rural southcentral Pennsylvania community, Dover, mandated the teaching of "intelligent design."
The concept holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by an unspecified higher power. Critics called the change in the ninth-grade biology curriculum a veiled attempt to require public schoolchildren to learn creationism, a biblical-based view that credits the origin of the species to God.
Schools typically teach evolution, the theory that Earth is billions of years old and that life forms developed over millions of years.
Heinz told about 300 participants at the conference that just as scientists are attacked when they offer evidence of global climate changes, teachers and school board members are being intimidated for teaching evolution.
"This abandonment of science is happening...without any fanfare at all," she said.
David M. Brown can be reached at dbrown@tribweb.com or (412) 380-5614.
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I'll pray for God to forgive her and wipe that impure Eve-spawned "knowledge" from her heart.
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Stepping around that little bit of trolling, I don't really see anything wrong with asserting that evolutionary processes might have been a vehicle for creation. As long as we can be sure the curriculum contains hard science and not just so much speculation, I don't think there's much room for objection to teaching a scientific theory in a science class.
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OK, Now we know what teh brilliant scientist Theresa Heinz thinks about the issue, wow, this changes my whole perspective on things.
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OK, Now we know what teh brilliant scientist Theresa Heinz thinks about the issue, wow, this changes my whole perspective on things.
She's an entitled to her opinion about it as Bush is to his when he says the jury's still out on evolution.
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OK, Now we know what teh brilliant scientist Theresa Heinz thinks about the issue, wow, this changes my whole perspective on things.
She's an entitled to her opinion about it as Bush is to his when he says the jury's still out on evolution.
Yup, I'm not denying it. As I'm entitled to my opinion of her.
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Back.
Heinz is a moron and so is her husband. They try to buy credibility by calling themselves Christian and then use it to reason the opposing side's favorable opinion ("favorable" only to said opposing side though). They can take their stand spinning about abortion and evolution and shove it up their asses. Heinz prolly knows shit about evolution just as she knows shit about Catholicism.
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Heinz is a moron and so is her husband. They try to buy credibility by calling themselves Christian and then use it to reason the opposing side's favorable opinion ("favorable" only to said opposing side though). They can take their stand spinning about abortion and evolution and shove it up their asses. Heinz prolly knows shit about evolution just as she knows shit about Catholicism.
I can't help but ask...how old ARE you?
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Back.
Heinz is a moron and so is her husband. They try to buy credibility by calling themselves Christian and then use it to reason the opposing side's favorable opinion ("favorable" only to said opposing side though). They can take their stand spinning about abortion and evolution and shove it up their asses. Heinz prolly knows shit about evolution just as she knows shit about Catholicism.
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Stepping around that little bit of trolling, I don't really see anything wrong with asserting that evolutionary processes might have been a vehicle for creation. As long as we can be sure the curriculum contains hard science and not just so much speculation, I don't think there's much room for objection to teaching a scientific theory in a science class.
Agreed. Exactly my point.
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I can't help but ask...how old ARE you?
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I had guessed between 16 and 18.
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You're kidding, right??!
And I had you so figured out as a well traveled kind of guy what with your absolutes.
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You're kidding, right??!
And I had you so figured out as a well traveled kind of guy what with your absolutes.
Yea, well I got you pinned at about 16 as of late with little more to offer than flip remarks and ad hominim attacks.
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Evidence Unearthed in Debate Over Man's Earliest Ancestor
New fossil finds and a digital reconstruction bolster scientists' notion that a 7-million-year-old creature is the oldest known human relative.
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Is a fossil creature that grabbed headlines three years ago really the earliest known ancestor of modern humans, or does it belong elsewhere on the evolutionary tree?
The answer has been hotly debated, but now two studies argue that it does indeed belong on the human branch.
In 2002, scientists announced finding jaw fragments, some isolated teeth and a skull of a creature nicknamed "Toumai" in Chad. At some 6 million to 7 million years old, the fossils came from about the time of a major split in the evolutionary tree, with one branch leading to humans and the other branch leading to chimpanzees.
The researchers argued that the creature, which they dubbed Sahelanthropus tchadensis, belonged on the human branch, making it the oldest known hominid. Others disagreed. In any case, the skull provided a puzzling combination of human and chimp traits and raised what one expert called a "wheelbarrow full of questions" about evolution.
Michel Brunet of the University of Poitiers in France, who led the team that made the original discovery, presented more evidence supporting the contention that the creature was probably a hominid in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.
A big question is whether the creature walked upright.
Brunet and colleagues reported discovering two new jaw fragments and the crown of a tooth in the same area as the earlier findings. Analysis showed similarities to hominid fossils and differences from ape traits.
They also presented a computerized reconstruction of the skull, because the fossil had been distorted in the ground. The reconstruction confirmed that S. tchadensis shared several features with later hominids. In addition, the position of the hole where the spinal cord entered is like what's seen in humans but not apes, which suggested upright walking, they wrote.
David Begun of the University of Toronto said the chances were "pretty good" the creature walked upright, although "I'll be convinced when they find a knee joint."
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It's funny that you have your view taught exclusively in public schools, but at the same time you want to play the oppressed. 
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It's funny that you have your views promoted in all three branches of government, but at the same time you want to play the oppressed.
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Stepping around that little bit of trolling,  I don't really see anything wrong with asserting that evolutionary processes might have been a vehicle for creation. As long as we can be sure the curriculum contains hard science and not just so much speculation, I don't think there's much room for objection to teaching a scientific theory in a science class.
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Heinz is a moron and so is her husband. They try to buy credibility by calling themselves Christian and then use it to reason the opposing side's favorable opinion ("favorable" only to said opposing side though). They can take their stand spinning about abortion and evolution and shove it up their asses. Heinz prolly knows shit about evolution just as she knows shit about Catholicism.
Given the expected reaction by the infallible keepers of the Christian faith like Pariah, the sarcasm may have been premature but not unwarranted.
As for Pariah. Fuck you. I see you're certain that beleiving in evolution is completely incompatible with beleiving in a creator. Say hi to God for me next time he converses with you. Dickwad.
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It's funny that you have your views promoted in all three branches of government, but at the same time you want to play the oppressed.
Scrolling back......... no, acctually it would apear I wasn't playing the oppressed. While I see there is alot of biggotry towards Christians, I deffinately don't see them as being oppressed in America (although the last hundred years have been teh bloodyest in Cristian martyrdom, seeing more Christians killed for thier faith than in the previous 1900 combined, but that's prolly trivial to you). I wonder why you would claim that I said we were oppressed..... Oh yea because the truth matters little to you. Demonizing conservitives need not rely on the facts.
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As for Pariah. Fuck you. I see you're certain that beleiving in evolution is completely incompatible with beleiving in a creator. Say hi to God for me next time he converses with you. Dickwad.
It's interesting Paul Sr., but sandwiched between your reasoned argument of "Fuck you... Dickweed" You claimed that Paraih utterly ruled out the possibility that God could have worked through the evolutionary process, however when reading his post I realized that infact he said nothing of the sort the only thing he spoke on (and mearly implied) was that it was contrary to Catholic doctrine. Oh well for more on the possible motivations of this gaff please read my previos post.
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As for Pariah. Fuck you. I see you're certain that beleiving in evolution is completely incompatible with beleiving in a creator. Say hi to God for me next time he converses with you. Dickwad.
Maybe you missed my point. My reaction wasn't based on my beliefs, but Heinz and Kerry's political antics. They go out of their way to title themselves Catholics and then purposefully second-guess Catholic belief. Mayhaps I'd listen to Heinz more if she decided to describe exactly how she's reasoning the existence of evolution, but she's not. She's just whoring her tone of uniquity to the press as a.....I dunno, 'diverse Catholic'.
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Then that puts you at odds not just with the Kerry's but the vast majority of American catholics.
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And then theres the Vatican itself. Does buggering little boys and covering up for those that do, not go against catholic doctrine? It sure didn't stop the Vatican with giving Cardinal Law a coveted spot in the Pope's funeral ceremonies. Why no indignation for them?
Anger as cardinal in sex-abuse scandal says Mass for Pope
You seem to show an amazing amount of self-righteousness and hostility as if you were the fucking Pope himself and the keys to Catholocism, no to Christianity itself were in your adolescent hands.
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Yes, I'm really going to trust a poll about Catholics that was taken by atheists.  And that's a nice bit of changing the subject there. Going straight from disagreements in the Vatican to child molestation.
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Yes, I'm really going to trust a poll about Catholics that was taken by atheists.
And that's a nice bit of changing the subject there. Going straight from disagreements in the Vatican to child molestation.
is that you're final answer?
No, it was brought up to ask you, is child molestation part of church doctrine? Is the criminal cover-up of such molestations against church doctrine, Mr. pope Jr.?
You see, both examples I posted were to show just how selective you are in your indignation? The Kerry's, well... they're liberals and you hate liberals. The Church heiarchy? Well they can do all sorts of craven even criminal deeds and not a peep out of your mouth.
And the poll results? That's about the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post.
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I think a person can be outraged both by the church's complicity in the molestation cases AND the cynical attempts by politicians such as the Kerry's to exploit their faith while at the same time refusing to abscribe to many of its teachings.
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No, it was brought up to ask you, is child molestation part of church doctrine? Is the criminal cover-up of such molestations against church doctrine, Mr. pope Jr.?
You see, both examples I posted were to show just how selective you are in your indignation? The Kerry's, well... they're liberals and you hate liberals. The Church heiarchy? Well they can do all sorts of craven even criminal deeds and not a peep out of your mouth.
You are such a fucking dumbshit.
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I think a person can be outraged both by the church's complicity in the molestation cases AND the cynical attempts by politicians such as the Kerry's to exploit their faith while at the same time refusing to abscribe to many of its teachings.
But G-Man, I think Pariah is being selective in his outrage. He was quick to condemn the kerry's, but ever since the Pope's death, he has been silent on another politician trying to cynically exploit the goodwill people feel towards the Pope for political ends by co-opting his phrase "culture of life" yet being extremely selective on it's meaning. Why no outrage either for Bush?
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Q Scott, you mentioned the culture of life. When Pope John Paul II wrote about the culture of life in 1995, he described it also in terms of the death penalty, not just abortion and euthanasia. He said that in these modern times, cases where the death penalty was warranted are rare, if not nonexistent. Now, knowing that the President fully supports the death penalty, used the death penalty, does he see it as a contradiction to use that phrase, "culture of life," and still support the death penalty, which the Pope expressed his opposition to?
MR. McCLELLAN: Elaine, I think the President's views are well known. I don't think now is the time to talk about where they may have differed on one or two areas. This is a time to honor a great moral leader, someone who, as the President said, was a hero for the ages.
Q Well, wait. Don't you honor a great moral leader and a great teacher, somebody who did engage in debate, whose whole life was about this kind of discussion and wrestling with difficult moral problems, by answering that question: Does the President see it as a contradiction that he adopts only part of what Pope John Paul said was the culture of life?
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But G-Man, I think Pariah is being selective in his outrage. He was quick to condemn the kerry's, but ever since the Pope's death, he has been silent on another politician trying to cynically exploit the goodwill people feel towards the Pope by co-opting his phrase "culture of life" yet being extremely selective on it's meaning. Why no outrage either for Bush?
And this shows me exactly why you're arguing.
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But G-Man, I think Pariah is being selective in his outrage. He was quick to condemn the kerry's, but ever since the Pope's death, he has been silent on another politician trying to cynically exploit the goodwill people feel towards the Pope by co-opting his phrase "culture of life" yet being extremely selective on it's meaning. Why no outrage either for Bush?
And this shows me exactly why you're arguing.
You know pretty much nothing about Catholicism. Stop trying.
Hypocrite.
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why, during weeks of fawning coverage of his humanity and the elaborate Vatican funeral rituals, did American journalists and politicians ignore the pontiff's passionate opposition to the U.S. invasion of Iraq?
Pope John Paul II's critique of the Bush doctrine of unilateral preemptive war couldn't have been clearer, more heartfelt or more vigorously argued.
He once showed anger on the topic in a private audience with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and firmly rejected the direct appeals of Catholic neoconservatives to support the invasion. He used not just his bully pulpit but the full political machinery of the Vatican to try to stop what he saw as an act that did not meet the Christian definition of "just war" — and was rather "a defeat for humanity."
"War cannot be decided upon, even when it is a matter of ensuring the common good, except as the very last option and in accordance with very strict conditions, without ignoring the consequences for the civilian population both during and after the military operations," John Paul proclaimed on Jan. 13, 2003, even as he was sending his emissaries to Iraq, the U.S. and the United Nations to lobby for peaceful negotiations. "War is never just another means that one can choose to employ for settling differences between nations."
It hardly honors the man to ignore his impassioned statements on what he considered to be a great moral crisis. And whether through divine inspiration or his own formidable instincts honed through a long life in a troubled and violent century, the pope got it right on Iraq when he said, "No to war!"
President Bush has sloughed off the issue of the pope's anti-war stance as what you'd expect from a religious leader: "Of course he was a man of peace and he didn't like war," he said after the pope's death.
But John Paul's assertion that the peaceful alternatives to a U.S.-British invasion of Iraq had not been exhausted went far beyond bland denunciations of violence. Like the millions of anti-war protesters around the world, he knew what the U.S. media and Congress refused to see: that Bush was rushing to war based on convenient distortions about weapons of mass destruction and the war on terrorism.
The Bush administration was concerned enough with the pope's stance that a crack team of Catholic neoconservative ideologues was sent to lobby his holiness. In February 2003, hawkish columnist Michael Novak and self-appointed morals czar William J. Bennett were dispatched to a Rome meeting with Vatican officials arranged by the State Department to explain why the invasion of Iraq would be a "just war" of self-defense. Novak warned Vatican officials that there was no time for peaceful initiatives because Saddam Hussein had empowered Iraqi scientists "to breed huge destruction in the United States and Europe."
The pope pointedly rejected such alarmist arguments and instead, on the eve of the invasion, endorsed the European proposal to rely on U.N. inspectors in Iraq and to provide a greater role for U.N. peacekeepers as an alternative to U.S. occupation of a crucial Muslim nation. "At this hour of international worry, we all feel the need to look to God and beg him to grant us the great gift of peace," he said, rejecting a rush to war.
After he was ignored, the pope continued to strongly oppose what he saw as a dangerous escalation in tension between the Islamic and Christian worlds. "War must never be allowed to divide the religions of the world," he said.
John Paul was particularly scathing after the revelations of torture at the Abu Ghraib prison, telling Bush on a visit to the Vatican that those "deplorable events" had "troubled the civic and religious conscience of all." And remember: This was not a man raised in the confines of the Holy See, but rather a tough old bird who had witnessed the Holocaust and struggled against Soviet tyranny and communist oppression for decades. He did not come to his anti-war views lightly.
Various bipartisan investigations have shown us the truth behind the Iraq war: Its rationales were fabricated by a Western intelligence community under enormous pressure to provide the Bush and Blair administrations with support for a decision they already had made. That makes it all but impossible to question the wisdom of John Paul's positions on the war and on American arrogance. Instead, the Bush administration and an acquiescent media have found it best to simply ignore them.
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I'm currious UID, why is it that most of your posts are directed at personalities, venomously attacking teh person with whome your speaking rather than just discussing the issue. Are you this angry offline? Is this how you discuss things in real life. If I were to sit down across a table with you for coffee is this the type of diologue I could expect?
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Just curious...
You forgot to log back into your alt.
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the one preceding my post... don't play innocent.
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Hypocrite.
Want more? Here. Where do you stand on Iraq, o' Super-Catholic?
*long-winded article*
If you knew anything about Catholics, you'd know that we recognize a seperation of jurisdiction between the pope's opinions on world events and his preaching of Catholic doctrine. I have absolutely no idea where you get the idea that we're not allowed to disagree with him on issues regarding politics.
Cut the ad hominem Whomod. It didn't do any good with your original ID and it's not doing any good now. You just look more foolish than ever. "o' Super-Catholic"? If there was more than one Catholic announcing their views on this board would you still be saying that shit?
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Maybe you missed my point. My reaction wasn't based on my beliefs, but Heinz and Kerry's political antics. They go out of their way to title themselves Catholics and then purposefully second-guess Catholic belief. Mayhaps I'd listen to Heinz more if she decided to describe exactly how she's reasoning the existence of evolution, but she's not. She's just whoring her tone of uniquity to the press as a.....I dunno, 'diverse Catholic'.
Why the hell should she have given an explanation on how she reasons evolution? She was merely giving a keynote speech, not a lecture on why Teresa Heinz Kerry beleives in evolution. I think if you follow science or even just news (such as the article posted on Pg. 1), you'd conclude that the creationists at the very least are dead wrong on their beleif that man and the universe emerged intact 6000 years ago and civilization sprang for there.
Hell forget following science or the news, Follow HISTORY. For hundreds of years, the Catholics wouldn't accept the TRUTH that the Earth revolved around the sun, and only just recently apologized for that. Before Galileo, people believed the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. This theory is known as the Ptolemaic theory. It is named after the Roman astronomer Ptolemy. The Greek philosopher Aristotle and the Roman Catholic Church also believed the sun revolved around the earth.
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus published a new theory stating the earth revolves around the sun. This is known as the Copernican theory. This theory was considered a serious challenge to the Ptolemaic theory and the Roman Catholic Church.
So just based on that, I wouldn't hold the Roman church as the infallible authority you seem to think they are.
I think you're just mad that someone who calls themselves a catholic can have beleive in science as well as faith. In other words, you beleive they must adhere to your own unyeilding rigidity in regards to their practice of faith.
From Washington Times interview with DeLay:
Mr. Hurt: Have you ever crossed the line of ethical behavior in terms of dealing with lobbyists, your use of government authority or with fundraising?
Mr. DeLay: Ever is a very strong word.
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Why the hell should she have given an explanation on how she reasons evolution?
Because, as I said, it certainly would have gone towards her credibility. She labels herself a Catholic and then goes out of her way to debatably undermine Catholicism's teachings; she might as well give basic expression of how exactly she feels evolution is compatible with Catholic doctrine. Instead she just gives the bare minimum. Just enough to denounce Catholicism's (or Christianity in general) place in school curriculums (I only say Christianity since she felt like titling "creationism" as a Christian doctrine's invention. Feel free to use the term "Theism" instead).
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Hell forget following science or the news, Follow HISTORY. For hundreds of years, the Catholics wouldn't accept the TRUTH that the Earth revolved around the sun, and only just recently apologized for that. Before Galileo, people believed the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. This theory is known as the Ptolemaic theory. It is named after the Roman astronomer Ptolemy. The Greek philosopher Aristotle and the Roman Catholic Church also believed the sun revolved around the earth.
In 1543, Nicolaus Copernicus published a new theory stating the earth revolves around the sun. This is known as the Copernican theory. This theory was considered a serious challenge to the Ptolemaic theory and the Roman Catholic Church.
So just based on that, I wouldn't hold the Roman church as the infallible authority you seem to think they are.
I see. So the Vatican's history properly represents them now? If you haven't noticed, the institution's long since refined itself from your examples of the past that pathetically try to divulge fallecy in the present. Those certain happenings don't resemble the current situations at hand considering the Vatican uses science just as much as evolutionists--And by the by, Christian scientists, some who follow the Vatican, have quite successfully disproved much of the evolutionist crutches with that very science, which, again, is used by said evolutionists.
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I think you're just mad that someone who calls themselves a catholic can have beleive in science as well as faith. In other words, you beleive they must adhere to your own unyeilding rigidity in regards to their practice of faith.
To be X, you must first hone the properties of X. To have descriptive properties diverse from X would not allow it to equal itself. Kerry and Heinz display elements that don't equal their supposed place as Catholics. If I was an athiest but I decided I believed in God, yet didn't want to stop calling myself an athiest, I'd be in the wrong wouldn't I? And that's exactly the case with them.
On that note, you're an ignoramous. Science and faith intertwine. Not only for Catholics, but also for scientists--No matter how much they/you deny it.
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