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And the Verdict on Justice Kennedy Is: Guilty

By Dana Milbank
Saturday, April 9, 2005; Page A03

Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy is a fairly accomplished jurist, but he might want to get himself a good lawyer -- and perhaps a few more bodyguards.

Conservative leaders meeting in Washington yesterday for a discussion of "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" decided that Kennedy, a Ronald Reagan appointee, should be impeached, or worse.


Although Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was named to the Supreme Court by President Ronald Reagan, he drew the ire of conservatives at a forum on the judiciary. (Lisa Poole -- AP)


Phyllis Schlafly, doyenne of American conservatism, said Kennedy's opinion forbidding capital punishment for juveniles " (or "the culture of Life" I keep hearing about) is a good ground of impeachment." To cheers and applause from those gathered at a downtown Marriott for a conference on "Confronting the Judicial War on Faith," Schlafly said that Kennedy had not met the "good behavior" requirement for office and that "Congress ought to talk about impeachment."

Next, Michael P. Farris, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said Kennedy "should be the poster boy for impeachment" for citing international norms in his opinions. "If our congressmen and senators do not have the courage to impeach and remove from office Justice Kennedy, they ought to be impeached as well."

Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, [bsatanic principles drawn from foreign law."

Ominously, Vieira continued by saying his "bottom line" for dealing with the Supreme Court comes from Joseph Stalin. "He had a slogan, and it worked very well for him, whenever he ran into difficulty: 'no man, no problem,' " Vieira said.

The full Stalin quote, for those who don't recognize it, is "Death solves all problems: no man, no problem." Presumably, Vieira had in mind something less extreme than Stalin did and was not actually advocating violence. But then, these are scary times for the judiciary. An anti-judge furor may help confirm President Bush's judicial nominees, but it also has the potential to turn ugly.

A judge in Atlanta and the husband and mother of a judge in Chicago were murdered in recent weeks. After federal courts spurned a request from Congress to revisit the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said that "the time will come for the men responsible for this to answer for their behavior." Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) mused about how a perception that judges are making political decisions could lead people to "engage in violence."

"The people who have been speaking out on this, like Tom DeLay and Senator Cornyn, need to be backed up," Schlafly said to applause yesterday. One worker at the event wore a sticker declaring "Hooray for DeLay."

The conference was organized during the height of the Schiavo controversy by a new group, the Judeo-Christian Council for Constitutional Restoration. This was no collection of fringe characters. The two-day program listed two House members; aides to two senators; representatives from the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America; conservative activists Alan Keyes and Morton C. Blackwell; the lawyer for Terri Schiavo's parents; Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, Roy Moore; and DeLay, who canceled to attend the pope's funeral.

The Schlafly session's moderator, Richard Lessner of the American Conservative Union, opened the discussion by decrying a "radical secularist relativist judiciary." It turned more harsh from there.

Schlafly called for passage of a quartet of bills in Congress that would remove courts' power to review religious displays, the Pledge of Allegiance, same-sex marriage and the Boy Scouts. Her speech brought a subtle change in the argument against the courts from emphasizing "activist" judges -- it was, after all, inaction by federal judges that doomed Schiavo -- to "supremacist" judges. "The Constitution is not what the Supreme Court says it is," Schlafly asserted.

Former representative William Dannemeyer (R-Calif.) followed Schlafly, saying the country's "principal problem" is not Iraq or the federal budget but whether "we as a people acknowledge that God exists."

Farris then told the crowd he is "sick and tired of having to lobby people I helped get elected." A better-educated citizenry, he said, would know that "Medicare is a bad idea" and that "Social Security is a horrible idea when run by the government." Farris said he would block judicial power by abolishing the concept of binding judicial precedents, by allowing Congress to vacate court decisions, and by impeaching judges such as Kennedy, who seems to have replaced Justice David H. Souter as the target of conservative ire. "If about 40 of them get impeached, suddenly a lot of these guys would be retiring," he said.

Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who wrote "How to Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary," escalated the charges, saying a Politburo of "five people on the Supreme Court" has a "revolutionary agenda" rooted in foreign law and situational ethics. Vieira, his eyeglasses strapped to his head with black elastic, decried the "primordial illogic" of the courts.

Invoking Stalin, Vieira delivered the "no man, no problem" line twice for emphasis. "This is not a structural problem we have; this is a problem of personnel," he said. "We are in this mess because we have the wrong people as judges."

A court spokeswoman declined to comment.

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Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).

For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues. In the Supreme Court of the United States he successfully argued or briefed the cases leading to the landmark decisions Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, Chicago Teachers Union v. Hudson, and Communications Workers of America v. Beck, which established constitutional and statutory limitations on the uses to which labor unions, in both the private and the public sectors, may apply fees extracted from nonunion workers as a condition of their employment.

He has written numerous monographs and articles in scholarly journals, and lectured throughout the county. His most recent work on money and banking is the two-volume Pieces of Eight: The Monetary Powers and Disabilities of the United States Constitution (2002), the most comprehensive study in existence of American monetary law and history viewed from a constitutional perspective. www.piecesofeight.us

He is also the co-author (under a nom de plume) of the political novel CRA$HMAKER: A Federal Affaire (2000), a not-so-fictional story of an engineered crash of the Federal Reserve System, and the political upheaval it causes. www.crashmaker.com

His latest work is "How To Dethrone the Imperial Judiciary"

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the G-man said:

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Conservative leaders meeting in Washington

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As such, I think it is more than a little, dare I say, biased of the Washington Post to call him a "conservative leader."

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Calif. Woman Charged in Schiavo Threat

Wednesday, April 6, 2005

(04-06) 14:33 PDT San Francisco (AP) --

A California woman has been charged with threatening to kill Michael Schiavo, the man whose decision to remove his brain-damaged wife's feeding tube enraged religious conservatives.

The federal charge against Dera Marie Jones stems from a posting on an America Online message board: "If she dies I will kill Michael Schiavo and the judge. This for real!"

Jones told FBI agents she was "just kidding" and soon began receiving threats herself, FBI Agent Christopher Sadlowski wrote in an affidavit filed Monday in federal court in San Francisco.

Jones, 32, is charged with transmitting in interstate commerce a communication containing a threat to injure a person.

Schiavo's wife, Terri, died at a Florida hospice March 31, almost two weeks after her feeding tube was removed. She had received food and water artificially since 1990, when she suffered brain damage that court-appointed doctors determined had placed her in a persistent vegetative state.

Michael Schiavo had been in a prolonged legal battle with his wife's parents, who wanted their 41-year-old daughter kept alive.

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Senator links violence, judges' 'political decisions' (Houston Chronicle)

In an eyebrow-raising speech on the Senate floor Monday, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn suggested a connection between "political decisions" by some judges and incidents of courthouse violence across the nation. The remarks by Republican Cornyn, a former justice on the Texas Supreme Court, prompted immediate criticism from Democrats.

Cornyn, citing recent cases of violence against judges, said he wondered "whether there may be some connection between the perception in some quarters on some occasions where judges are making political decisions yet are unaccountable to the public, that it builds up and builds up and builds up to the point where some people ... engage in violence." The violence is unjustified, Cornyn said, but is "a concern that I have that I wanted to share."

Cornyn, who also served as a district judge in San Antonio, delivered a blistering critique of the U.S. Supreme Court. The court has taken on the role of "policymaker" rather than enforcer of laws and had "generated a lack of respect for judges generally," he said.

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the G-man said:
most people wouldn't have even known that the Stalin quote meant anything but impeachment if the Washington Post, and people like yourself, hadn't followed up.

So's who really firing people up about killing?

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This is obviously a death threat. It is disingenuous to say otherwise.

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Paul Mandral said:
Lamar Smith (R-TX, 21) took DeLay's place at the conference. So there you have another prominent Republican in attendance. Smith is a member of the House ethics committee. He is also on the Judiciary Committee and is poised to become its next chairperson. This should be exposed.

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the G-man said:


This whole nonsense of politicians calling for the impeachment of judges has to stop. While I don't approve of a lot of the rulings that judges make, unless and until someone demonstrates the judge in question has committed a crime, or is somehow mentally incompetent, he or she should be allowed to remain on the bench for his or her term, even if that term is life.

Regardless of who is in office, it is important the judiciary be independent.

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the G-man said:
most people wouldn't have even known that the Stalin quote meant anything but impeachment if the Washington Post, and people like yourself, hadn't followed up.

So's who really firing people up about killing?

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Paul Mandral said:
Are you implying that Viera didn't know the full quote or what Stalin meant by it?

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Normally, I'm the first guy to jump all over Kerry for his various transgressions against all that is good and decent in America, but I think this particular criticism is off base.

This is really no different than when Reagan's people tried to use the song "Born in the USA," and didn't realize it was an anti-war song by a liberal rock singer, or when Bush the father used "Dont Worry be Happy."

They were just referencing the title, not all the other meanings attached thereto.

It's a common tool of communication, and literature, to reference a famous quote or work of art to make a point, even if that point is somewhat different or divorced from the something in the author's original work.

Part of any work of art should be the ability of others to bring their own meaning to it.

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Paul Mandral said:
Lamar Smith (R-TX, 21) took DeLay's place at the conference. So there you have another prominent Republican in attendance. Smith is a member of the House ethics committee. He is also on the Judiciary Committee and is poised to become its next chairperson. This should be exposed.

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Paul, with all due respect how is attending an event and happening to encounter one speaker at the event who says something stupid indicative that the attendee endorsed, or was even aware in advance, what the speaker was going to say?

What, exactly, are you advocating, other than a form of "guilt by association"?

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Paul Mandral said:

If it wasn't for the Post and people like myself, people would have assumed he meant removal.

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Thank goodness you're here to educate us, whomod.

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Paul Mandral said:The conference was named "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny". That alone would give one pause, i'd think. Especially if you're a prominent politician who is on the judiciary committe.

The name of the conference doesn't exactly lend itself to assumptions that it will be something besides extremist in nature.

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MisterJLA said:

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Paul Mandral said:

If it wasn't for the Post and people like myself, people would have assumed he meant removal.

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Thank goodness you're here to educate us, whomod.

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the G-man said:
It's about all the response "get me a soda bitch" deserves, rex.

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You're cracking me up, dawg.


Or is that "you're cracking up, dawg"?

No, JLA was trying to be clever and insulting. As usual. And following your lead (as usual) by calling Paul "whomod". How amusing that he was trying to be insulting by using something you first wrote almost verbatum in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

Wotta bitch.


No one has commented on the incredible irony of Stalin being quoted favorably in a conference named "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" considering Stalin was undoubtedly one of the greatest tyrants in history.

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unrestrained id said:
No, JLA was trying to be clever and insulting. As usual. And following your lead (as usual) by calling Paul "whomod". How amusing that he was trying to be insulting by using something you wrote almost verbatum in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

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Poor poor Whomod.

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unrestrained id said:

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the G-man said:
It's about all the response "get me a soda bitch" deserves, rex.

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You're cracking me up, dawg.


Or is that "you're cracking up, dawg"?

No, JLA was trying to be clever and insulting. As usual. And following your lead (as usual) by calling Paul "whomod". How amusing that he was trying to be insulting by using something you wrote almost verbatum in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

Wotta bitch.


No one has commented on the incredible irony of Stalin being quoted favorably in a conference named "Remedies to Judicial Tyranny" considering Stalin was undoubtedly one of the greatest tyrants in history.

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Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

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the G-man said:
Actually Paul and I were having a quite interesting, and reasonably civil, conversation on the issues until rex's unrestrained id decided to derail another thread with personal attacks.

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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the G-man said:
Actually Paul and I were having a quite interesting, and reasonably civil, conversation on the issues until rex's unrestrained id decided to derail another thread with personal attacks.

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Shut up WBAM!

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unrestrained id said:
Fuck!

Hey wanna', thank god you're here, (I dunno, is G-Man unleasing all his acolytes in tandem?) maybe you can help shine light on how exactly these wack-jobs think that the judges they happen to disagree with are "satanic".

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Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

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wannabuyamonkey said:

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unrestrained id said:
Fuck!

Hey wanna', thank god you're here, (I dunno, is G-Man unleasing all his acolytes in tandem?) maybe you can help shine light on how exactly these wack-jobs think that the judges they happen to disagree with are "satanic".

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Not to be outdone, lawyer-author Edwin Vieira told the gathering that Kennedy should be impeached because his philosophy, evidenced in his opinion striking down an anti-sodomy statute, "upholds Marxist, Leninist, satanic principles drawn from foreign law."

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Acctually in all honesty i have to agree with you Paul Sr. AND G-Man This Edwin Viagra fella sounds like a nut job.

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Chant said:
Your Supreme Court's purpose, among other things, is to enforce your constitution on state and people, yes?

So, the rulings made by said court should initially be considered constitutional (further scrutiny of a ruling comes after the ruling has made methinks)

So people who disagree with the rulings of the SP without reasonable grounds are infact disagreeing with the constitution, right?

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While it is true that politicians and people in general should challenge eachother and the rulings in order to create sound and proper debate around subjects, said people should also realize that the job of a Supreme Court justice is to KNOW the constitution.

Or am I wrong?

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And obviously, killing judges because of rulings you don't like is, well, insane and uncivilized

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wannabuyamonkey said:


Acctually in all honesty i have to agree with you Paul Sr. AND G-Man This Edwin Viagra fella sounds like a nut job.

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Edwin Viagra

...And the horns tie it to satanism.

Thank you.

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unrestrained id said:


You're cracking me up, dawg.


Or is that "you're cracking up, dawg"?

No, JLA was trying to be clever and insulting. As usual. And following your lead (as usual) by calling Paul "whomod". How amusing that he was trying to be insulting by using something you wrote almost verbatum in order to attack someone he disagrees with.

Wotta bitch.

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Please. I was making whomod cry before G-man even registered here.

Methinks I forced a meltdown or several from you too, considering the fact that you're posting under this lame ID.

Just another JLA victim.

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MisterJLA said:


Just another JLA victim.

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