Quote: Stupid Doog said: I don't see how it matters whether people are in their first, second, or third divorces. the fact remains that marriage is becoming less and less a sacred institution, and more of a legal contract between two parties that can be easily (though expensively) voided.
It matters because one statistic claims to represent over 50% of people when infact it represents far less. It is very important. If you have one representive being counted multiple times it skews your results. If the results weren't being intentionally skewed why don't we ever hear the other nubers or why aren't people ever corrected when they misuse the data to claim that any given marraige has a 50% of success when that's statistically false. Facts may not matter in political rhetoric, but they do matter when dealing with reality.
Oh and here's a far more thoughtfull analisis that demonstrates the results may be even less reliable than I thought.:
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Summary of Rumor: Marriage has deteriorated so much that half the marriages in the United States are failing. There is a 50 percent chance that your marriage will not make it. bullet
The Truth:
Here are some examples from just a few Web sites on the Internet: bullet "Fifty percent of marriages will end in divorce." — An infidelity support group bullet "Fifty percent of all marriages now end in divorce." — Promotion for a book on divorce bullet "Fifty percent of all marriages in America end in divorce." — From the treasurer's office of a Midwestern state bullet "Over 50 percent of marriages end in divorce." — From a men's counseling center in California Divorce is too common in America and that should not be taken lightly, but those who are committed to a lifetime of marriage don't need the discouragement accompanying the notion that half the marriages are going to self-destruct anyway.
I was once told by a young bride-to-be that she and her fiancé had decided not to say "Till death do us part" in their wedding vows because the odds of it really happening were only 50-50.
Let me say it straightforwardly: Fifty percent of American marriages are not ending in divorce. It's fiction. A myth. A tragically discouraging urban legend.
If there's no credible evidence that half of American marriages will end up in divorce court, where did that belief originate?
Demographers say there was increased focus on divorce rates during the 1970s when the number of divorces rose, partly as a result of no-fault divorce. Divorces peaked in 1979 and articles started appearing that claimed 50 percent of American marriages were ending in divorce.
A spokesperson for the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics told me that the rumor appears to have originated from a misreading of the facts. It was true, he said, if you looked at all the marriages and divorces within a single year, you'd find that there were twice as many marriages as divorces. In 1981, for example, there were 2.4 million marriages and 1.2 million divorces. At first glance, that would seem like a 50-percent divorce rate.
Virtually none of those divorces were among the people who had married during that year, however, and the statistic failed to take into account the 54 million marriages that already existed, the majority of which would not see divorce.
Another source for the 50-percent figure could be those who were trying to predict the future of divorce. Based on known divorce records, they projected that 50 percent of newly married young people would divorce. University of Chicago sociologist and researcher Linda Waite told USA Today that the 50-percent divorce stats were based more on assumptions than facts.
So what is the divorce picture in America? Surprisingly, it's not easy to get precise figures because some states don't report divorces to the National Center for Health Statistics, including one of the largest: California.
Some researchers have relied on surveys rather than government statistics. In his book Inside America in 1984, pollster Louis Harris said that only about 11 or 12 percent of people who had ever been married had ever been divorced. Researcher George Barna's most recent survey of Americans in 2001 estimates that 34 percent of those who have ever been married have ever been divorced.
One of the latest reports about divorce was released this year by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). It is based on a 1995 federal study of nearly 11,000 women ages 15-44. It predicted that one-third of new marriages among younger people will end in divorce within 10 years and 43 percent within 15 years. That is not a death sentence, however; it's a forecast. Martha Farnsworth Riche, former head of the Census Bureau, told USA Today, "This is what is going to happen unless we want to change it."
Most important, the statistics and predictions about Americans in general don't tell the whole story about the future. There are other factors that affect a person's chances for a long marriage. The NCHS study of women, for example, shows that age makes a difference. Women marrying before age 20 face a higher risk for divorce. Marriages that have already lasted for a number of years are less likely to end in divorce. If your parents did not divorce, your chances are better than if you came from a broken home. Couples who live together before marriage are more likely to divorce.
It's one thing to allow politics to be shaped by bad or misleading data, it's another to let it be shaped by an urban legend. You told me to check out the stats for divorce, so I did.
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