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i had never seen a real movie at an imax theater -- only, like, national geographic type stuff.

this was fucking amazing.

i mean, sound-wise, alone, was just unebelievable, and the audio aspect is not even a fraction of your amazement.

simply stunning.


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Did anyone not see the Ras revelation coming a mile off?

I thought it was a really good film but was just too dark.
Dark is exactly what I expect from Batman,but I also expect to be able to see more of the action!

Really enjoyed the movie but think a sequel should be able to kick its arse easily.

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I think it was pretty obvious - I also think that they left the door open for Talia to appear in the next movie. Remember while he was training Bruce he mentioned tha the was married once - door open for avenging daughter.

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That was one of my minor complaints too - you couldn't see any of the fight scenes!

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Really enjoyed the movie but think a sequel should be able to kick its arse easily.




that goes for any tf the comic book sequels - Spidey 2, X2, Superman 2, etc.



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Well sure, after the first I'm sure alot of the kinks are worked out.

Then there is more time to concentrate on good story telling.

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The reason I think the Batman sequel would be able to easily kick the debuts arse is cause it relied heavily on the origin story,more so than say Spidey or X-Men.
In 1989,the Batman film pretty much jumped straight into the action with the origin being just an aside,which is prolly the reason that of the four films,that one is most often regarded as the best one!

While the new flick is great for those of us who read Batman comics,it might be considered a bit heavy or slow paced by the non-comic reading public.
Without a doubt,I'd say this is the most faithful comic adapation,which is great for us,I just think that Joe Public might find it less than expected.

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Actually, a lot of non-comic fans are digging the new movie pretty damn good. A guy I know who doesn't even read comics was telling me how great he thought it was and said, "They finally got it right." I really like the 89 Batman film, but I do dislike the fact that Batman is the second string character in his own film. It's more about the Joker than Batman. This movie is more about Batman than any of the others have ever been, and I think that's why comic and non-comic fans alike are loving it.


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Actually, a lot of non-comic fans are digging the new movie pretty damn good. A guy I know who doesn't even read comics was telling me how great he thought it was and said, "They finally got it right." I really like the 89 Batman film, but I do dislike the fact that Batman is the second string character in his own film. It's more about the Joker than Batman. This movie is more about Batman than any of the others have ever been, and I think that's why comic and non-comic fans alike are loving it.




Yeah. I agree.

Not only everything you mentioned but it bears repeating that people may think 'they finally got it right' thanks to Kevin Conroy. I think the past 12-15 years (or whatever it is) of Conroys portrayal of Batman has something to do with people expecting a bit more of their Batman nowadays. I'm willing to guess that his Batman has undoubtedly seeped into popular conciousness by now.

Whereas back in '89 Batman was known to the public at large mostly by The Super-Friends, the CBS saturday morning cartoon and Adam West.

...and to be fair, Keaton deserves some credit too for being the first 'darker' Batman. But as you mentioned, that Batman was always hobbled by an overemphasis on the villians as well as quirky directors wanting to make Batman and his world, in their own image.


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Did anyone not see the Ras revelation coming a mile off?




i actually assumed it months ago!

back when they were just releasing wee bits of information here and there, and started dropping photos on the official site, i credited liam as ra's without even knowing otherwise. he just looked so damn perfect for the part.

but, with a mighty 'of course', i was wrong at the time and shunned, deeper, into rkmbs society with a series of insulting responses.

however, while watching the movie, i simply could not shake how perfectly cast the part was for him ... he just looked and acted the part amazingly.

then, hearing all the third person talk and seeing how the true ra's acted vs how the fake ra's acted... all just fit together so poifectly.

really happy it ended up cast that way.


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I thought it was a really good film but was just too dark.
Dark is exactly what I expect from Batman,but I also expect to be able to see more of the action! Really enjoyed the movie but think a sequel should be able to kick its arse easily.




batman begins was my favorite batman movie. it was also my favorite comic book movie. ...and... it was really one of my favorite movies of all time. easily.

but general public wise?

financially, i think the movie "suffered" (poor 150 mil and 3 weeks, tsk tsk) because of ... well... its lack of comic bookiness. ironic, considering most comic book fans would deem this the superior film.

however, the major public wants a big ole silly villain, too. a joker. a catwoman. lighter moments. gitchier scenes.

spider-man was able to take advantage of that, just as the 70s superman and 80s batman.

i think future batman movies will maintain the tone of "begins" but allow for much more light hearted "superheroism," as seen in those other films.


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however, the major public wants a big ole silly villain, too. a joker. a catwoman. lighter moments. gitchier scenes.





Fuck the major public. They're all stupid for not appreciating this one.


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however, the major public wants a big ole silly villain, too. a joker. a catwoman. lighter moments. gitchier scenes.





Fuck the major public. They're all stupid for not appreciating this one.




THANK YOU!

My sentiments exactly.

The major public is like a blade of grass. Bending whichever way the wind blows. It's amusing to follow popular sentiment but man, you need convictions to get thru life.

Plus didn't the major public already get their gitchier big ol silly Catwoman? And we all know how that turned out.


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alright, alright, settle down now class.

i agree that this movie was far superior.

i was just sayin that, financially, and mass appeal...ily, it would have done spider-manishly better if it were lightened up / cornied up a bit. "american idolized," if you will.

also, ...at 150 mil and growing (it'll prolly hit 175 in domestic theaters) its not exactly like the public missed this one. it made its mark, big time.


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I read that this is one of those movies thats gonna last a long time in theaters. Mainly on word of mouth.


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however, the major public wants a big ole silly villain, too. a joker. a catwoman. lighter moments. gitchier scenes.





Fuck the major public. They're all stupid for not appreciating this one.


Yeah thats cool,fuck em,who needs them to go see the film.
Only comic book geeks should go see it then the reciepts would be low,so Warner would have no reason to make a sequel!
Yeah,fuck the general public!

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I think Rex mentioned that it's making good steady money on word of mouth. I'm sure foreign box office and DVD sales will all total out positively for Batman Begins. That's certainly better than making 100 mil in 1 or 2 weeks and then petering out on accounbt of it being a crap movie, like Batman 4 (whatever it was called, i forgot already)

If we had to make films by guessing what the public wanted, you'd most certainly get another Batman 4 type film.

I say just let them make a good movie and stop trying to second guess the market.


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i dont think anyone is trying to second guess the market -- we're just calling it as it is.

i could care less how much the movie made or how many other people saw it/liked it.

i loved it. i saw it 3 times (so far). and i spent my money on it, happily. thats all that matters t'me. in that regard, yes, "fuck the major public."


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I saw BATMAN BEGINS yesterday.

It blows away even the Burton BATMAN film (iwhich you were correct in noting was more about Joker than about Batman).

There were some conceits I could have done without...the Bat-Signal, the use of the "Batmobile" as an instrument of war, the Ra's al Ghul plot for Gotham City (though I enjoyed all the other Ra's' instances).

Its strengths were when it focused on Bruce and Bruce-as-Batman...Alfred, Bruce's guilt over his parents' deaths, Lucius Fox, the concept of becoming what you fear, that compassion is the one thing that separates Batman from his possible enemies. Some great writing in all of that. I was impressed.

But there were moments where I felt this movie was too derivative of the Burton first film: the poisoning of Gotham and the Katie-Holmes-as-just-another-Vicky-Vale angles. I groaned at those moments. Perhaps Nolan and Goyer meant for those moments to pay homage to Burton's film, but I just don't think it was necessary to make that homage (given the bad taste in the mouth that still remains from how the Batman movie series 1989-97 ended).


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This was, by far, the most sincere adaptation of Batman to the screen, bar none.

On the subject of "fuck the general public", I would agree in sentiment alone. However, my view on comic book films, and really any film derived from a previous source material, is that it should always, always, always be adapted true to its source as close as possible. I'm okay with modification and formatting to allow the story to live in a film, as simply translating a comic book...panel-to-frame...gives you extremely boring movies (i.e. the first Spider-Man for me).

In that sense, it should appeal to the general public anyway, because, there's a reason it appealed to the masses in the first place in comic form. If you keep the soul of the material, you keep the reason it is what it is, and why it's worthy of making into a movie in the first place.

In the end, it's not how close it is to the comic books themselves. It's how close it is to what makes those stories special. The core and reasoning behind those characters, and what they mean. In other words, translate why those comics were special in the first place, not just the surface glitz.

Batman Begins: A++

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This was, by far, the most sincere adaptation of Batman to the screen, bar none.

On the subject of "fuck the general public", I would agree in sentiment alone. However, my view on comic book films, and really any film derived from a previous source material, is that it should always, always, always be adapted true to its source as close as possible. I'm okay with modification and formatting to allow the story to live in a film, as simply translating a comic book...panel-to-frame...gives you extremely boring movies (i.e. the first Spider-Man for me).

In that sense, it should appeal to the general public anyway, because, there's a reason it appealed to the masses in the first place in comic form. If you keep the soul of the material, you keep the reason it is what it is, and why it's worthy of making into a movie in the first place.

In the end, it's not how close it is to the comic books themselves. It's how close it is to what makes those stories special. The core and reasoning behind those characters, and what they mean. In other words, translate why those comics were special in the first place, not just the surface glitz.

Batman Begins: A++

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http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee6079fc89f2741996a6c103a401eec4&threadid=40578

    On Thursday, August 11, Batman Begins very quietly eclipsed the $200M domestic box-office mark, coming in as the 12th highest grossing film for the day in its 9th week of release. The $200M figure is good enough to make the film the year’s third highest grossing movie (domestically) after Star Wars: Episode III, and War of the Worlds.

    With a current overseas total of $160M, the film will likely wind up with somewhere under $370M overall. The film’s estimated budget was $150M.

    While the film did not pull in what today is considered mega-blockbuster figures comparable to the Spider-Man films, or Tim Burton’s first Batman ($251M in 1989 dollars, approximately $402M adjusted for inflation), the darker, PG-13 film didn’t appear to be built for universal appeal and repeat business by younger audiences, often the driving force behind huge box office success. Though it still may nearly double the grosses of the previous Batman big-screen effort, Batman & Robin, which left the once seemingly invulnerably bankable franchise moribund for years.

    With nearly universal critical praise and excellent word-of-mouth buzz, Warner Bros.’ hope at this time is the film finds an even larger audience on DVD this fall, Pay-per-View and Cable. The studio will be looking for a sequel (which will likely have the appearance of the Joker as an additional draw) to follow the same pattern as films like Blade and X-Men at the box office – films that were unknown quantities and accepted by moviegoers cautiously at first, but through success on DVD, Pay-per-View, and Cable built on their initial audience and had significantly more box office success with their first sequels.


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very good.

This box office figure was expected but as I pointed out about 6 weeks ago, this film was an unequivocal "hit" despite the mass media trying their damndest to not acknowledge it as such from the onset.

That it finishes the summer as one of the biggest films of the year with absolutely no fanfare is no surprise to me.


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I guess Pariah's boycott based on his skimming through an early version of the script failed to sink the movie.


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While the film did not pull in what today is considered mega-blockbuster figures {SNIP} the darker, PG-13 film didn’t appear to be built for universal appeal and repeat business by younger audiences, often the driving force behind huge box office success.




i think this is a pretty fair and accurate quote. ... which i think goes even further to credit the film.

all its amazing success, $200 million, 10 weeks in the top 15, .... and it wasn't built for any of it! it was just made to be a kick ass film, almost specifically for batfans. yet, it was crafted so perfectly, that, despite its best intentions, it still pulled in much of the country.


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MY TWO CENTS - 8/16/05 - by Digital Bits editor Bill Hunt

Well... Warner's finally gone and done it. They've officially announced the DVD release of Batman Begins for 10/18, as we've been expecting. You'll be able to buy a single-disc regular edition (SRP $28.98) and a 2-disc Deluxe Edition (SRP $30.97). Each will include the film in anamorphic widescreen video (2.40:1), with English and French Dolby Digital 5.1 audio. We believe there will be a full frame version of the regular edition as well.

We don't have all the details yet, but we do know that the 2-disc Batman Begins: Deluxe Edition will feature 8 documentaries (including Genesis of the Bat: Batman Incarnations from the Mid-1980s to the Present, The Journey Begins: Creative Concepts, Story Development and Casting, Shaping Mind and Body: Fighting Style, Gotham City Rises: Production Design, Cape and Cowl: The New Batsuit, The Tumbler: The New Batmobile, Path to Discovery: Filming in Iceland and Saving Gotham City: The Monorail Chase Sequence), several Confidential Files featurettes (broken into Characters and Weaponry), an interactive Inner Demons comic book, theatrical trailers, a photo gallery, Easter eggs and DVD-ROM features (including a Batman Begins "mobile game demo"). The set will also include an exclusive 72-page comic book containing 3 reprinted issues/stories that influenced the film (including Detective Comics #37, Batman: The Man Who Falls and Batman: The Long Halloween). There's no word yet on possible audio commentary, and additional extras are likely TBA.

Here's a look at the cover art for both editions. Each is available for preorder now at Amazon.com (just click on the cover art)...







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Batman Begins Sets Another IMAX Box Office Record
Strong Legs Establish Film as IMAX's Highest Grossing Digitally Re-Mastered 2D Release


NEW YORK, Aug. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that Batman Begins: The IMAX Experience is now IMAX's highest grossing digitally re-mastered 2D release, reaching the milestone in less than nine weeks. With total grosses of $14.5 million on 72 worldwide IMAX screens, it eclipses the record set by The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience, which grossed just over $14 million in twenty-two weeks. For the three day period from Friday, August 12 to Sunday, August 14 - its eighth weekend of release - Batman Begins: The IMAX Experience grossed an estimated $203,000 in 51 North American IMAX® theatres, an increase of eight per cent over the prior weekend. The film has now achieved a cumulative domestic per screen average of nearly $215,000 and continues to show extraordinary staying power.

"The fact that Batman Begins set this box office record so quickly and continues to post great results underscores how perfectly suited the picture is for The IMAX Experience®," said IMAX Co-Chairmen and Co-CEOs Richard L. Gelfond and Bradley J. Wechsler. "This film's strong performance is a key reason why IMAX's grosses are up considerably this summer and we're delighted so many moviegoers are exploring the origins of the Batman legend in IMAX theatres. IMAX continues to further solidify its position as the place to see the biggest Hollywood event films in both our unparalleled 2D and IMAX® 3D formats."

"IMAX has proven itself as a great distribution platform for our tentpole films, as once again evidenced by the outstanding results of Batman Begins: The IMAX Experience," said Dan Fellman, President of Domestic Distribution at Warner Bros. Pictures.

"We strive to offer moviegoers today's biggest, best and most exciting blockbusters in IMAX's format and Batman Begins certainly fits that description," said Greg Foster, Chairman and President of IMAX Filmed Entertainment. "It's been a pleasure to once again partner with Warner Bros. Pictures on this fantastic film and we're excited to see it achieve this noteworthy IMAX box office distinction. We offer our thanks and congratulations to Warner Bros., Chris Nolan and the entire Batman Begins filmmaking team."




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He used a "u" in coloured so it's ok.

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Quote:

Rob Kamphausen said:
do the regular box offices totals include imax?




Yup.


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