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PJP said:
As a rule of thumb, you can't reason with Arabs.


They're not Klingons.
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They have greivances, but I don't know how genuine they are. They hated us just as much when Clinton was President for 8 years so it's not fair to blame Bush. What greivances?.....that we are allies with Israel? If we weren't one or the other race would be obliterated by now. We have maintained a peace (however fragile) in that region since 1948......they want to blame someone blame themselves.....fucking ignorant assholes were offered a Palestinian state back then by the British.....they were just too stupid to accept. That's our fault? Clinton mediates Peace and sweetheart deal for the Arabs......Arafat continues the terrorism secretlt.......that's our fault?....



It goes back to the 1940's-1950's. I know Iran hates us because:
The British were buying their oil, but imposing too many tarrifs (sp?)
We didn't really give a shit.
The corrupt Sha was on his way out, and a better government was gaining power.
The Iranians cut a deal with the Russians to sell Oil without as many tarrifs.
We said "Russia? They're communist!?" And the CIA overthrew the new government, maintained the corrupt Sha, and then turned a blind eye to the people's suffering.
Fast forward to the 1980's, the Ayitola comes to power as part of a movement trying to overthrow the Sha we were backing. They saw us as being just as bad as he was.
(this comes from a history channel documentary I saw on the history of the CIA).
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Throughout history the only people the Arabs have to blame for their problems is themselves.



Of course. The few Muslim friends I've had all agree that the religion itself is not violent, but its the government that run the Islamic countries. Muslim countries with better governments (Egypt) are very progressive and modern and happy and blah blah blah. Its only the bad ones you hear about where women are oppressed.
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I hope someday we can all live in peace.....cause if not the only other alternative is to turn the Middle East into a Club (Ah)Med!


But that's the problem. You can't make peace through bombing people...that's what terrorists do.
All that we've done in Iraq is ensured that a good deal of the children of the people we killed will grow up to become terrorists themselves.
The best option would've been for Bush's daddy to have actually maintained his support of the rebel factions in the 1990's. They would've been Iraqis overthrowing Sadam, not foreign invaders.

Bow ties are coool.