As I mentioned earlier G-Man, everything you're posting here is nothing but the same GOP talking points being bandied around relentlessly by the GOP punditry. Therefore it's absolutely nothing new and it's mostly false.


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All that has been confirmed is that Rove spoke to a reporter AFTER Novak "outed" Plame.



See MEM's post.

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It has not been confirmed that Rove was Novak's source.



It has been confirmed though that Rove was a secondary source. Whether Novak has offered up his 1st source is still unknown.

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It has not been confirmed that Plame was, in fact, a covert operative.



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Newsday, July 21:
Intelligence officials confirmed to Newsday Monday that Valerie Plame, wife of retired Ambassador Joseph Wilson, works at the agency on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity -- at least she was undercover until last week when she was named by columnist Robert Novak.

....A senior intelligence official confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked "alongside" the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger.



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New York Times, October 2:
Valerie Plame was among the small subset of Central Intelligence Agency officers who could not disguise their profession by telling friends that they worked for the United States government.

That cover story, standard for American operatives who pretend to be diplomats or other federal employees, was not an option for Ms. Plame, people who knew her said on Wednesday. As a covert operative who specialized in nonconventional weapons and sometimes worked abroad, she passed herself off as a private energy expert, what the agency calls nonofficial cover.



among many other news sources if you'd only bother to look...

Plus the testimony of CIA colleagues

CIA Agents Letter to US Senate and House

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It has not even been confirmed that Rove THOUGHT Plame was a covert operative.

We're arguing in circles now. You, and a few other, posters are assuming all of the above is true. Myself, and a few other, posters are pointing out it isn't.





I agree, you're dancing in circles G-Man. This question was answered by the confidential nature of the document that named Plame. Whether Rove "knew" or not is irrelevent. He was passing material to reporters that was classified.

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The bottom line is that all of the facts are not in. Why not wait until they are?



Because of all the false assertions you just made. You're taking the right to pass these misleading talking points but everyone else has to follow the Presidents lead and wait until the investigation is complete?

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The happy thing of course though is that the prosecutor won't be swayed by GOP talking points. All this is, is finger in the dike damage control.

The issue, though, is not only whether Rove engaged in criminal behavior. It's also what the White House will do about Rove...and others involved in the leak. (Novak's other source.) The Cooper e-mail proves that Rove leaked national security information to undermine a critic. (And if Rove didn't know Valerie Wilson was under cover, he leaked without checking, which means he handled secret information recklessly.)


Oh sorry G-Man...breaking news........

Plame's Identity Marked As Secret

By the White House's earlier statements (of which they've now altered to "if any one is ever convicted"), Rove engaged in wrongdoing that warrants dismissal--regardless of how Fitzgerald's investigation ends. And if Bush was sincere when he called for the leakers to "come forward and speak out," shouldn't he order Rove to tell us all he knows?

But The Republicans have hunkered down, ignoring press inquiries, deriding Democratic criticism as baseless partisan attacks, spreading misleading talking points and generally muddying up the waters in order to hopefully confuse the average American into boredom on the subject. And of course hoping this storm will pass.

All this of course is simply refusing to acknowledge the reality revealed by Cooper's e-mail. But the White House--at the least, Rove--has always known what happened. Bush needed no special prosecutor to "get to the bottom" of this. He only had to ask his own people to tell him the truth. That is, if he didn't already know.

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