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As I said earlier in the topic, that's yet to be proven, that Rove is the leaker.

Libby has been indicted, but again, not yet proven guilty.


That is a legal determination. I think it's fair to say you don't need a legal determination to make a nonlegal judgement that Libby & Rove lied.

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In any case, this is not comparable to leaking missile technology to the Russians or Chinese.



According to the CIA, Plame was a NOC. Your making an assumption that she never worked on anything important.
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In the worst case scenario --assuming that Rove and Libby actually did reveal secrets to the media, which is not proven-- even if they did:

1) Joe Wilson already made revelation of Valerie Plame's CIA employment inevitable. His editorial alone, regardless of what Rove, Libby, Armitage, or any other Republican did alone created the spotlight in the Niger mission that would have outed Plame as Wilson's spouse.


The obvious flaw to your logic there is that if it was truly inevitable, Libby & Rove would never have had to bring it up when speaking to reporters. I actually doubt any reporter would have been able to find out that Plame suggested sending her husband to Niger beyond a gov't official with enough clearence willing to leak classified information.



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2) again, it is still a source of debate whether she was even a covert agent !

Considering that the CIA & Fitzgerald say she was, I'm not sure what more could be offered.


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3) Regardless of whether Valerie Plame was a field agent or not, she is well beyond the number of years after which her covert CIA status can legally be revealed to the public.
For her CIA work to be so many years ago, so far beyond the statute of limitations of being "top secret", makes clear the falseness that her outing allegedly "jeapordizes national security" , as liberals hyperbolically wail.


This was posted before & according to the CIA it wasn't true at the time. At this point I'm guessing it's no longer a lie but only because a couple of years have now passed.

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4) Again, as discussed earlier, Rove's conversation with reporter Robert Novak was just a conversation between two freiends who happen to be Washington insiders, chatting about the latest Beltway gossip.
It was Novak who mentioned to Rove (not Rove passing info to Novak) a rumor that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and had Joseph Wilson recruited by the CIA for the Niger yellow-cake investigation.
Novak said "I heard..."
And Rove responded (neither confirming nor denying the rumor) "Yeah, I heard that too."


Rove had also talked with Cooper where he outed Plame. Novak learned about Plame from Libby. You seem to be picking the one conversation that supports what your saying but ignoring everything else.


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5) Finally, nothing surprises me in Washington.
Well, not too often.
Monica Lewinsky and the semen-stained dress surprised me.

Rove and Libby used what leverage they had politically to spin things in their favor, just like Pelosi, Daschle, Reid, Gore, Hilary, Bill Clinton, Kennedy and the rest all do.


I'm unaware of any of them running around Washington outing NOC agents to reporters.

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But it amuses me to see these lifelong anti-war pacifists and leftists wrap themselves in the flag and allege that Rove and the Bush White House defending themselves against Wilson's allegations, that these Republicans-on-the-defensive, and not Wilson himself, are responsible for the spotlight being shined on his wife's CIA role.

I don't see mentioning that Wilson's wife sent him on the Niger mission as the most high-road tactic by Republicans. But it is relevant in spotlighting that Wilson was picked for the Niger mission for reasons other than his qualifications. And also spotlights that perhaps he wasn't the most informed source to write a New York Times editorial accusing President Bush of being a liar.


I never understood how it mattered to partisan Republicans that Plame suggested sending her husband to Niger. The CIA still approved his credentials. The documents still would have been fakes.

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I've seen far more sleazy, underhanded, and outright treasonous actions from the Democrat party, and I've highlighted many of them in various topics here.


I can remember when treason wasn't a term that was hastily & casually thrown out by some Republicans. It was reserved for those that did evil things... like telling our nation's enemies who our spies were.

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But Republican or Democrat, politics is politics. Each time you say: "How DARE they...", I can show you an example where the Democrats have done the same, if not exceeded the alleged underhandedness of Rove and the other conservative puppetmasters. Democrats pull their own strings, and don't always put on a classy show.


If somebody does something wrong, it's not less wrong because you feel somebody else did the same thing.

Fair play!