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magicjay38 said:
Fast forward to circa 1850. Zionism becomes popular with many Jews. Skip forwaard to turn of the century. We enter the age of oil when Churchill switches from coal to oil fired navy. Zionist and imperial economic interests intersect. The European Jews return to Israel and become proxy/vassel state of USA, using it's military force as the Big Stick of American foreign policy. The Return to Promised Land motivates the new Israeli warriors. They say to Palestinians 'We've been on holiday the last couple millinea but were back now. So get out.'

I'd go like to stick around, but, I gotta go!



Wow! What a way to misunderstand history. The desire for a Jewish nation was born from Jews who had, for the most part, abandoned their religion. Most religious Jews shrugged away the idea. The immigration of many European Jews to Palestine (where, oddly enough, there were also Christians and Jews living) was a result of anti-semetic practices in Russia and Germany. After WWI, the British gained control of the area as it was once the Ottoman Empire. The Arabs of the region had the British supress Jewish immigration into a land that the Arabs didn't want until after Jewish settlers had worked and improved it. Also, it was the British endorsement of a Jewish state that led to the formation of Israel.

In other words, it wasn't the Jewish religion that led to Israel being established. There's a difference between Judaism the religion and the Jewish ethnic group.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."