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magicjay38 said:

The opium quote is by Hagel, not Marx.



No, it was Marx

"Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes".

Translated as:

"Religion ... is the opium of the people."

From the entire quote:

"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." - Karl Marx

At least when I quote scripture I know who I'm quoting.

Seriously I can quote a reaonable passage of scripture and it would have every bit as much wieght as a "reasonable" quote from Marx or Hagel or whoever you think your quoting. True "God says so therefore it's true" holds no wieght for someone who hasn't accepted scrpture as the word of God without err, but if you were more familiar with scripture you would know that it often contains dialecticle arguments. The logic of scripture is still logic, but I will gladly provide a logical argument without refering to scripture when you can provide one without siting the works or other known secular philosophers, because I'm tired of hearing "Hegel (or Nietzsche or Marx or Kant or Camu) says so".

Putting the "fun" back in Fundamentalist Christian Dogma. " I know God exists because WBAM told me so. " - theory9 JLA brand RACK points = 514k