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theory9 said:
Science offers a variety of tools-mathematics, physics, and chemistry are a few-that allow us to measure and evaluate the world around us (these tools also predate the Bible). One can discover, through observation and interaction, the laws of the universe; these laws are not immutable and limited by our understanding, but do offer a fairly consistent view of the world. The attraction between masses, the distance to the sun and other planets, and their relation to each other can also be evaluated and proven by conducting experiments in a lab (or even in one's backyard).

The Bible began as an oral tradition, not being written down until roughly 60 years after the death of Christ. Even acknowledging that oral traditions were more accurate and reliable than in the modern age of computers and short attention spans, it is reasonable to assume that parts of the Bible were inadvertantly changed as it is passed down to the generations. There is also considerable allegorical evidence that the Bible is a "final draft" of sorts, framed by the writers to make the best impression. We see this in the suppression of the Dead Sea Scrolls by the Vatican, and many scholars believe that the origins of many passages in the Bible are linked to the ancient tribe of the Essenses (sp?).

Using the Bible to argue is, of course, your choice. Yet every argument based from the Bible requires me to grant every premise of your argument. Inevitably, you will quote scripture as proof, which only works if I allow you to do this: assume to be true that which you are trying to prove. God is a matter of faith, and everyone is welcome to it, but I would have to share your faith for any argument to work. Nothing is logical about the existence of God, and a logical argument where no premises are granted would find God to be a short subject.




See how strong your faith is in Science, you believe that without question. You actually believe that there are ways to measure distances in the universe. You really believe that. And these experiments and laws that the scientists pass on to each other each believing them is believed by you. Though you cannot prove that the earth is x-miles from the sun, your faith in science tells you it is, even though you have no idea. Scientist use formulas that cannot be proven but cannot be disproven so it is accepted as fact.
For instance evolution is taught in schools even though it is a belief system. You don't believe me, then why is there a search for a missing link? I'm not attacking ones faith in Science, I just get amused at how absolute some people's faith is in it, and like you you swear it is different, and from your post and majicjays I really believe that you do believe it, yet you can't fathom how others can be equally sure in their belief.

As far as suppression of the dead sea scrolls, you'll have to excuse me if I act ignorant and pretend that Science journals and societies do not always suppress differing scientific views and allow them official publication in accepted journals. If it doesn't fit the "cannon" of accepted science it is ridiculed.

Your science that is always proven is always disproven when a new hole is found in it. Always. This year eating more carrots will be proven in a lab to reduce cancer. Next year it will be proven that it causes cancer. The loop continues. But because of your faith in science you ignore this. So while I'm sure you believe that science is proven it is quite clear otherwise.