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theory9 said:
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thedoctor said:
    faith - Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.


Let me ask you a question that I believe gets to the heart of BSAMS's argument.


When was the last time you measured the distance between the Earth and the sun?



Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

I've never personally measured the distance between the earth and the sun. Now that I've answered your question, what are you trying to prove?




That you've put faith into an assertion by someone else. Someone told you how far it was to the sun or you read it in a book and you believe it without questioning it and finding out for yourself.

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Jim Jackson said:
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thedoctor said:
When was the last time you measured the distance between the Earth and the sun?



When you log on to the Internet, do you do so by prayer?

How about when you drive your car? Do you pray for internal combustion?

Those technological advances were driven by science, not by religion.



But not devoid of people with religious beliefs working on them. And yet, still, you cannot prove my original point of that question. Can you really tell me based upon your own research that doesn't rely on what others told you how those things work?

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magicjay38 said:
These little marvels we sit in front of and type are wonders of science. The science of physics as well as mathematics get a lot of the credit. Quote me a page of religious text that describes the binomial theorem or explains the properties of energy. Just a couple of things you need to understand before you start building a computer. I used to dream that I was inside an endless matrix of 1s and Os, optic green and floating in blackness....



Nor does the Bible tell us how to make a wheel, start a fire, or build a house; yet all those things existed in ancient times. The Bible and most religions are not here to tell us how to build a better car or computer. Religion is there to tell us how to build a better person and community. Apples and oranges.

I think the concept of this debate is really of center. I find it funny that the only people who are implying that you can't beleive in science and religion are those trying to bash religion. That's no where near the point. I think a lot of personal agression against religion is influencing a few posters' opinions and detracting from the fact that this topic isn't about one particular religion. This isn't a God vs. Darwin fight.

whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules.
It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness.
This is true both in politics and on the internet."

Our Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man said: "no, the doctor's right. besides, he has seniority."