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The US armed forces are facing a manpower shortage that conventional and extraordinary efforts have failed to address. It is estimated that 500,000 troops are necessary to maintain the peace and pacify Iraq alone. Should a similar need arise in Iran and North Korea we would be without adequate troops to satisfy policy needs. Therefore, it is foolish to think that current voluntary recruiting methods can meet this challenge. Conscription is needed to meet the force requirements of the empire. How can this be done with minimal disruption to American civil society? Selective Service was criticized in its last incarnation for discriminating against those of lower socio-economic origin, creating a fighting force largely composed of the poor and minorities. First, all persons between the ages of 18 and 30 will be required to register for conscription. Outside of physical or mental disability there should be no deferment. This way an Army that looks like America can be achieved. A lottery system can be used, as in the Vietnam War, to give priority for vulnerability. Since younger person generally make better more malleable soldiers, the year of vulnerability will be the year of one's 19th birthday, with exposure declining with age. In the past those of wealth and privilege have been able to avoid conscription through connections or at least assure that one has a position out of the line of fire. People will still have the option of enlisting in the Navy or Air Force where the risk is perceived as less. We should look to our Civil War experience for a of model draft avoidance fair to all, and use market forces to effect a small redistribution of wealth. An auction system could be set up where those of means buy a substitute. Of course the sub would need to be eligible for service but the draft call system would assure a supply of somewhat older (24-30 yo) potential substitutes. The subs would offer their service to the highest bidder, perhaps on eBay. This would also help retention and salary issues that currently plague the armed forces. 
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I agree with you totally........and for the record I have a bad back.
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That's a very interesting idea.
The only thing is that a system like this should be extremely linient towards people with health issues. Since there would be so many people available to serve who are 100% healthy, people with migraines, bad backs, and other medical problems that would normally be over looked should be exempt from this.
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That's a very interesting idea.
The only thing is that a system like this should be extremely linient towards people with health issues. Since there would be so many people available to serve who are 100% healthy, people with migraines, bad backs, and other medical problems that would normally be over looked should be exempt from this.
Of course, any medical condition that would affect performance would, as in the past, preclude conscription. Like in school, bring a note from your doctor explaing your condition and any suppporting lab tests or medical imaging to your physical exam. The decision would be up to the doctor and the draft board. People in medical and dental school have also been exempted, but at increased exposure till their 36th birthday.
Both men and women would be subject to the draft.
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Just act crazy.
You're obviously unfamiliar with "Alice's Restaurant."
Seriously, however, the military leaders keep insisting that they don't want a draft, that the nature of the military requires a different soldier than the days of WWII and even Vietnam.
Are they correct? I don't know. Israel has a pretty top notch modern army and, last I knew, they still had a draft.
Of course, they're a hell of a lot smaller and are surrounded by hostile neighbors.
Sometimes I think a draft might be a good idea, especially if it did it in a way that appropriately matched people's skills to their assignments.
And, before you say, but would you want your daughters to go? Sure. Unfortunately, their Democrat mother won't hear of it.
Oh, and PS--with my eyes, I couldn't pass the physical for OCS twenty years ago. So don't ask me why I didn't sign up.
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That's a very interesting idea.
The only thing is that a system like this should be extremely linient towards people with health issues. Since there would be so many people available to serve who are 100% healthy, people with migraines, bad backs, and other medical problems that would normally be over looked should be exempt from this.
Doing so would only make it even easier to dodge the draft.
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we're in the process of phasing out conscription in Denmark in favour of a better trained, better armed and more serious military with volunteers
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we're in the process of phasing out conscription in Denmark in favour of a better trained, better armed and more serious military with volunteers
All well and good but Denmark doesn't have the imperial responsibilities that the USA has.
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Serious question: did the British have a draft during the height of its empire?
I'm asking because if they didn't that would seem to indicate that conscription may not be a requisite to maintaining one's alleged "imperial responsibilities."
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If you're talking pre-WWII, I believe (but am not 100% sure) the answer would be yes...
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The US armed forces are facing a manpower shortage that conventional and extraordinary efforts have failed to address. It is estimated that 500,000 troops are necessary to maintain the peace and pacify Iraq alone. Should a similar need arise in Iran and North Korea we would be without adequate troops to satisfy policy needs. Therefore, it is foolish to think that current voluntary recruiting methods can meet this challenge.
Conscription is needed to meet the force requirements of the empire. How can this be done with minimal disruption to American civil society? Selective Service was criticized in its last incarnation for discriminating against those of lower socio-economic origin, creating a fighting force largely composed of the poor and minorities.
First, all persons between the ages of 18 and 30 will be required to register for conscription. Outside of physical or mental disability there should be no deferment. This way an Army that looks like America can be achieved. A lottery system can be used, as in the Vietnam War, to give priority for vulnerability. Since younger person generally make better more malleable soldiers, the year of vulnerability will be the year of one's 19th birthday, with exposure declining with age.
In the past those of wealth and privilege have been able to avoid conscription through connections or at least assure that one has a position out of the line of fire. People will still have the option of enlisting in the Navy or Air Force where the risk is perceived as less. We should look to our Civil War experience for a of model draft avoidance fair to all, and use market forces to effect a small redistribution of wealth. An auction system could be set up where those of means buy a substitute. Of course the sub would need to be eligible for service but the draft call system would assure a supply of somewhat older (24-30 yo) potential substitutes. The subs would offer their service to the highest bidder, perhaps on eBay. This would also help retention and salary issues that currently plague the armed forces.
Amazingly enough, I totally agree with this.
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me. And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out. 
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You're obviously unfamiliar with "Alice's Restaurant."
FYI: I played this song for Kaz the day he joined the Air Force.
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ummm, no.
how about instead of going into poorly planned wars with no exit strategy, led by chickenhawk politicians and their oil cronies we find better solutions to international problems.
Conscriptions and drafts are wholly immoral practices that should never come about in our modern age.
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How then, do you feel about the policy of most schools to have some sort of mandatory community service as a requirement to graduate? Isn't that also a form of involuntary servitude?
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How then, do you feel about the policy of most schools to have some sort of mandatory community service as a requirement to graduate? Isn't that also a form of involuntary servitude?
For most of the teenagers I know the best community service they can perform would be to stay at home!
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How then, do you feel about the policy of most schools to have some sort of mandatory community service as a requirement to graduate? Isn't that also a form of involuntary servitude?
Yes, but I doubt a lot of kids who take community service lose limbs and die because of it. And I think that's what r3x's concern is.
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me.
And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out.
It's nice to sit back and not have to worry about it, though I'd be really bummed if my daughter got drafted. I guess I'd have to come up with the scratch to buy a sub. My guess is the starting price is above $20m. I mean that's what the Army recruiting bonus is. Here I'm gonna be asking somone to put themselves in harms way who doesn't have to. I think the starting price would be $40m, I mean how much would you charge?
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How then, do you feel about the policy of most schools to have some sort of mandatory community service as a requirement to graduate? Isn't that also a form of involuntary servitude?
my high school required that. I spent 16 hours one weekend carting cases of soda to booths at a local street festival.
At no point was I shot, I was allowed to leave at any time, and I went home at the end of the day.
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me.
And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out.
It's nice to sit back and not have to worry about it, though I'd be really bummed if my daughter got drafted. I guess I'd have to come up with the scratch to buy a sub. My guess is the starting price is above $20m. I mean that's what the Army recruiting bonus is. Here I'm gonna be asking somone to put themselves in harms way who doesn't have to. I think the starting price would be $40m, I mean how much would you charge?
then you shouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place, you degenerate fuck.
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me.
And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out.
It's nice to sit back and not have to worry about it, though I'd be really bummed if my daughter got drafted. I guess I'd have to come up with the scratch to buy a sub. My guess is the starting price is above $20m. I mean that's what the Army recruiting bonus is. Here I'm gonna be asking somone to put themselves in harms way who doesn't have to. I think the starting price would be $40m, I mean how much would you charge?
then you shouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place, you degenerate fuck.
Could you elaborate? How am I a degenerate fuck?
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me.
And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out.
It's nice to sit back and not have to worry about it, though I'd be really bummed if my daughter got drafted. I guess I'd have to come up with the scratch to buy a sub. My guess is the starting price is above $20m. I mean that's what the Army recruiting bonus is. Here I'm gonna be asking somone to put themselves in harms way who doesn't have to. I think the starting price would be $40m, I mean how much would you charge?
then you shouldn't have suggested the idea in the first place, you degenerate fuck.
Could you elaborate? How am I a degenerate fuck?
We don't really explain our outlandish insults here on the RKMB.
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FYI: I played this song for Kaz the day he joined the Air Force.
Oddly enough, that night was also the first time I'd ever heard a Cat Stevens record, too.
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I did register, but couldn't get through medical. I'd go if they let me.
And I think some of our conscientious Democrats would do well as embedded journalists out there on the front lines. Ya know - just so the truth gets out.
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I was referring to Billy Dee Williams old "Colt .45" TV commericals. I'll take the pistol... 
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