Oh, shit, I didn't wanna do this, but you're forcing me into it. Damn you. Damn you for making me kick your ass again.

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ManofTheAtom said:
Clarify it for me please.

What is it about Liefeld's version of Supreme that you don't think is original compared to Moore's version, which is nothing more than a rip off of the SA Superman?



I haven't read either. I'm mocking Lefield because... well, he's Lefield. More to the point, I'm mocking you for liking Lefield; not because of his lack of literary value, because I haven't actually read anything he's wrote... just because you like Lefield, and I think that's hilarious. I simply do. It's a subjective feeling... though I'm sure everyone else here knows exactly what I mean.
I have no real evidence that the ripped off Superman, because I haven't read the comic. If you ask me, honestly, did Lefield ripoff Superman, I'd say I have no clue. I have a brain, therefore I'm smart enough not to judge a book without having read it.

You're not.

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Is it that you've blinded yourself into believing that Liefeld can only come up with rip offs in EVERYTHING he does but Moore isn't guilty of that?



I never said Moore didn't rip off Superman: I haven't read his Supreme, therefore I don't really know. I'd like to read it, but I haven't yet.
However, I honestly don't give a dancing fuck if he ripped off Superman or not; as long as the story is good, I'll like it. If it turns out to suck, I won't. That simple. If he has to rip off characters to tell the stories he wants without sucking DC's cock, good for him.

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Just out of curiosity, how much do you know about Supreme from before Moore came along?

Is it at least something or nothing at all?



All I've read about Supreme is that he's a Superman ripoff wirtten by both the God of comics and the man who symbolizes everything that's wrong with the medium.

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ManofTheAtom said:
The problem with the term "standard RL ripoff" is that Liefeld's rip off tend to only steal the visual aspects of the characters, like Troll being a traced Wolverine or the rock guy whose name I don't know from a team of characters I don't know being a visual rip off of the Thing.



You're talking about Bedrock, the masturbatory teen hero from Youngblood. Years after Moore had used comics to talk about topics like fascism and cold war paranoia, Lefield was just getting around to superheroes caught wanking.

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The problem with Moore is that he rips off actual characters, personalities, backgrounds, and pretty much everything that makes a character what he is.



If that's what it takes to make Watchmen, so be it.

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People seem to see the visual rip off as a bigger "crime" than what Moore does.



Actually, Lefield's bigger crime is being a lame shite.

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What Moore did, which I'm sure from some perspectives can be seen to be what you lay it out to be, is still a bigger rip off of Superman than what Liefeld did.



However, from what I've heard, Moore used it to reflect on the comic book medium while Lefield had it punching baddies...

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ManofTheAtom said:
I've read enough of it to know what it is, a lame rip off not only of Superman but of Moore's own work.



Ah, the first four pages of a comic in a previews catalogue always give such a complete view of the underlying topics in each story...

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You can find all you need to know about Moore's Supreme here http://platinumstudios.com/titles/supreme.php



...only surpassed by synopsis posted in the internet.

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Why spend money reading something that's obviously derivative just from looking at the cover?



DON'T. No one's telling you to buy it. However, if you don't read it you lose the right of bitching about it to the extent you do.