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PenWing said:
The gun manufacturer makes guns. Guns are weapons. They are made to kill. Some are made for hunting animals. Most are made for killing people. There is no negligence here. They know what they are making them for. The gun does just that. That is it's purpose. Guns are made to kill.



I don't think the arms industry would make that argument. That's admitting they are negligent.

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You're saying the manufacturers are negligent because the gun falls in the wrong hands and is used to kill illegally. You're also saying the dealers are negligent for selling a gun to the wrong person.



I never said any such thing. I said that a reasonable person can see the consequences of their participation in the commerce of firearms. But then you already conceded that they're negligent in the previous paragraph, so what difference does it make? Even the G-man will concede that negligence is a valid cause for action.

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There is a thing called a gun license. It is issued by the state. A person cannot purchase a firearm without this license. Well, that's not true, a person can purchase some guns, and that's the problem. Still, there is a government system (highly flawed, but it's there) that gives people deemed confident a license to own firearms.



See previous post.

Now, based on this, the same argument that you used to remove negligence from the automakers and retailers can be used to remove negligence from the gun manufactures and retailers.



Sorry, but my argument is that a prudent person could forsee the consequences of their action. GM cannot be expected to forsee that PenWing is a crazy asshole that drives Hummers over pedestrians.

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