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how many people died due to Clinton's negligence in an emergency?



I'm fairly certain there were hurricanes during the Clinton administration. I am also fairly certain that people died in same. I similarly certain that, at the time, the policies and procedures in place were similar to those in place under Bush. However, under Clinton, there was not a huge rush to assign blame for those deaths to the presidency directly.


but did people die in hurricanes due to inaction?
did clinton start a war and conquer a country without a clear plan for maintaining it?
and the people on the right had entire organizations offering money to women to come forward against him, fox news was getting started during clinton and they blamed him for everything.

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I could also point out that there is a school of thought that says Clinton's negligence in hunting Bin Laden (who was planning 9/11 long before Bush took office) allowed him to put in place his attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. However, that that discussion has been done to death on another thread.


let me add that bush was advised bin laden planned to attack. sure without exact specifics it would've hard but they still should've taken action and raised precautions.

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More importantly, however, even though Bush took responsibility for the failures of his administration, in a "buck stops here" show of contrition, that is still a long cry from saying that Bush was negligent or that his alleged negligence is directly responsible for those deaths.


nuh uh.

[quot]Again, the go over the same ground we are now going over and over on multiple threads, if you say Bush's negligence contributed to the deaths you need to also admit that the negligence of other federal, state and local officials, including your beloved Clinton, also contributed to those deaths.


okay, they shouldn't have waited for the higher ups to get off their asses and give them orders.
Clinton isn't a public official.




Even if our high officials bothered to care about the poor, mostly black victims of Katrina enough to change their schedules, the administration would probably have bungled the relief effort anyway, because the Federal Emergency Management Agency is now run by political hacks appointed by Bush who know zilch about disaster relief.

"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," the president said to Michael Brown a few days before the FEMA chief was relieved of his oversight of the relief efforts after massive public pressure over the agency's response to the hurricane. Brown, who reportedly doctored his unimpressive resume and didn't have a background in emergency management, resigned Monday. He had secured this plum job because he was a college buddy of his predecessor, Joe Allbaugh, who managed Bush's 2000 presidential campaign.

During the Clinton years, FEMA was turned into a model of efficiency, as demonstrated after the Northridge earthquake and the Oklahoma City bombing. How bizarre, then, that in the wake of 9/11, the administration handicapped FEMA by axing its Cabinet-level status, turning it back into what some call a "turkey farm" for patronage jobs and slashing its budget because, as Allbaugh complained, it had become "an oversized entitlement program ."