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i only see this "moving to the midwest" benefiting one person - Kwame M. Kilpatrick. The pin strip suit and earring wearing thug detroit mayor. It'd bring the city population back over a million and there's really only a month left for these people to settle in before its proper sledding weather.
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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You do realize there is a whole area of the country called the "midwest" outside of Detroit, don't you?
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My uncle's house and my roommate's parents' house were not in flood plains, yet they were flooded out during the hurricane. Wind damage was minimal and covered by insurance (btw, for those of you who don't already know it, hurricane insurance does not cover damage done by tidal surges.
You have to own separate insurance for flooding to cover it even though the hurricane caused the flooding. Even in areas not prone to flooding at all.).
That's what most of the cost coming from the Gulf Coast is. Flooding in areas that don't normally flood and taking over homes that don't carry flood insurance. There are many people who don't have that insurance because their insurance salesmen told them they didn't need it not living in a flood plain.
Insurance companies have been attempting to avoid payment by claiming the damage was attributable to flooding, not wind, thus exempting the insurance from reimbursement:
I agree with G-man's assertion that areas with extreme vulnerability to natural disaster should not be developed or covered by federal reconstruction funds.
So that those willing to take that risk are the ones financially responsible, not the U.S. taxpayers.
And I agree that far higher building standards should be enforced for areas that choose to develop those high-risk areas.
My own native South Florida is well known to be a high-risk area for hurricane flooding and wind damage.
That's why for decades homes have been constructed in this area out of concrete, rather than wood.
but several decades of minimal storms in the 70's and 80's cultivated a complacency about hurricanes, and hurricane Andrew (August 1992) exposed the error of complacently moving to wood-frame homes, which were the ones completely destroyed by Andrew, to the tune of 20 billion dollars.
Now, the standard is back to concrete homes.
And Florida standards for roof construction now requires a higher number of nails per square foot, and other reinforcement.
A standard that didn't exist before Andrew.
If homes in Louisiana and Mississippi were made from concrete, I'd wager the number of destroyed homes would be far lower.
Two years from now, the new ones probably will be.
In areas within a quarter-mile of the coast, homes should be built to make the ground level of the house for a garage and storage space only, with the greater part of the house supported above it on concrete beams, to secure it from easily foreseeable flooding.
And within the most at-risk areas (areas within the first quarter-mile of the shoreline), if these ocean-front areas are destroyed by a hurricane, if reimbursement is given, it should not be to re-construct in the same place, but be reimbursement given on the condition they will rebuild further inland, on safer ground.
The most devastated areas should be rebuilt as public parks, rather than reconstructed just to be destroyed again at great public expense.
That's what I think should be done in New Orleans. I sure as hell wouldn't want to rebuild a home at 10 feet below sea level, and roll the dice for next time.
The same is true where I live in Florida. The coast of my city was virtually all woodland along the Atlantic coast in the 60's, 70's and early 80's.
We all understood growing up that it would be crazy to build huge condominiums right on the coast, because they'd all be taken out by the first storm.
But over the last 20-25 years, that has all been turned into 10-story condominiums right on the beach.
I feel the same way about these as I do about New Orleans, that these condos were built at their own risk, in an area known to be highly vulnerable to hurricane damage.
And those who choose to build there should not obligate others to pick up the tab later.
Further inland is reasonable to cover with insurance. But for those who choose to live in the most risky areas (within a quarter-mile of the coastline) these people know the risks, and should not later expect others to pay the bill for the risk they willingly took on.
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You do realize there is a whole area of the country called the "midwest" outside of Detroit, don't you?
brainwashing my son...he's been doing it to the locals for years, he can expand now.
And, to be fair, one of my favorite friends there is blind and I take every opportunity available to make fun of that and we're still friends. That guy never fit there. He never got the spirit of the RKMBs. We're gonna keep an eye on the obits, see if he finally left or if he really did have a heart attack.
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Re: Moving to the Midwest
No. Keep all them people away. It's too nice out here and I don't wanna share with anyone else of them morons (ie 'other people').
when I first saw the thread name I thought he was talking about elisa's snatch.
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So far $67,000 per Katrina householdI sought to get a handle on just how much tax money will be going to rebuild the Gulf Coast from Hurricane Katrina.
It works out to about $67,000 per household, or about $25,000 per person -- for those who want to know how I got that figure, keep reading -- which on the surface sure seems like a lot of money.
And the $67,000 figure is just counting the money that Congress already has authorized.
It doesn't count the hundreds of billions of dollars more that Gulf Coast politicians are asking for from Washington.
If all the requested spending were approved, the overall tab from the hurricane might cost about $250,000 per household.
Of course that doesn't count the money -- perhaps $40,000 or so per household, even though the amount will vary widely -- that many of Katrina's victims will get from their insurance companies. Or the Red Cross money.
That is, without doubt, serious folding money -- even in Washington, D.C.
But it is a tough call whether that is too much. We all feel for the victims, and even with the financial remuneration, who would want to be in their place?
Yet the nagging question remains: Does the huge amount of money being thrown around turn a catastrophe for almost 2.5 million people in the hardest-hit areas into an unreasonable raid on the U.S. Treasury?
Many would say that it sure seems that way on the surface when you look at it on a per-person or per-family basis.
Heck, I'm sure there are an awful lot of families who would happily take $50,000 from the feds and make new lives in locales that are neither on the water nor below sea level.
Clearly, that would be cheaper in terms of the current expenditures. It also would save a bunch the next time a major hurricane hits there.
U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert was widely condemned for suggesting that it might not be fiscally prudent to rebuild some of the areas destroyed by the hurricane.
The PC crowd forced him to hem and haw. Then Congress just started spending.
Faced with the potential price tag, however, Hastert may have been on to something.
The tough question is: Should the federal government pay whatever it takes so everyone who lived in the area can return without requiring changes that make a duplication of the Katrina scenario less likely?
Should the feds, if they are going to pay each of the victims so much cash, not be able to set conditions on what is rebuilt and where people go, based on considerations other than the desire of the folks who once lived there?
The Census Bureau says there are slightly fewer than 2.5 million people in the parts of Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana hardest hit by Katrina.
Nationally, there is an average of 2.7 people per household. If you divide the $62.5 billion Congress already has approved by the roughly 930,000 households, that works out to about $67,000 each.
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I can live with paying the money once. I will be upset if they just rebuild the same trouble areas just so it can happen again.
So this is whats going to happen from now on? Everything is going to be one big joke? Is it going to be impossible to do anything serious here from now on?
It's not fair!
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Agreed. As long as the money is spent wisely, I don't care how much is put in.
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I can live with paying the money once. I will be upset if they just rebuild the same trouble areas just so it can happen again.
I agree with reax.
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