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I know Loeb isn't a favorite here, but I'll ask anyway:
What's the deal with the Batman/Superman series he writes? I flipped through the TPB that collects the first 6 issues and the Secret Files, and that book was odd.
It started off decent enough (the first issue was about the differences between Batman and Superman, and featured a "meeting" of Bruce and Clark as kids), but the later issues looked bizarre and over the top.
Luthor is wearing the SuperFriends (or whatever it's called) armor again? It looked like he went off the deep end, too. He wasn't the careful manipulator that he was shown to be in Morrison's JLA.
Is Batman/Superman part of continuity, or is it Elseworlds rubbish?
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It had a long story arch that took place in an altered timeline, but the majority of B/S (including the Luthor story and Supergirl story) falls under main DCU continuity.
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What other stories did B/S (ha) cross into?
What was the explanation for Luthor's erratic behavior? He was subtle about his war with Superman before, in this book he was flaunting it.
It all seemed very out of character.
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There was no explanation as far as I could see. It was VERY badly written.
As a result of the story, Luthor is no longer President of the U.S. in the DCU. B/S also introduced the new Supergirl (post-Crisis Kara Zor-EL) to the DCU. She has her own comic book now.
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What other stories did B/S (ha) cross into?
What was the explanation for Luthor's erratic behavior? He was subtle about his war with Superman before, in this book he was flaunting it.
It all seemed very out of character.
The best explanation I can come up with is this: Throughout the "Public Enemies" storyline, Luthor was using a mixture of liquid Kryptonite and Venom (the same Venom that Bane once used) to enhance his strength. In issue #6, Batman notes that Venom has been known to cause mild cases of insanity. Or something to that effect.
In other words, Luthor's erratic behavior was due to drug use.
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in other words typical badly written Loeb rubbish. avoid. Pro, Doc, and I decided for us that this book is in it's own little world separate from the DCU.
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The best explanation I can come up with is this: Throughout the "Public Enemies" storyline, Luthor was using a mixture of liquid Kryptonite and Venom (the same Venom that Bane once used) to enhance his strength. In issue #6, Batman notes that Venom has been known to cause mild cases of insanity. Or something to that effect.
In other words, Luthor's erratic behavior was due to drug use.
That's true. Kudos!
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Jeph Loeb? Batman/Superman?
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 There you go, Pro...
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No, we need a diarrhea emoticon...
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The best explanation I can come up with is this: Throughout the "Public Enemies" storyline, Luthor was using a mixture of liquid Kryptonite and Venom (the same Venom that Bane once used) to enhance his strength. In issue #6, Batman notes that Venom has been known to cause mild cases of insanity. Or something to that effect.
In other words, Luthor's erratic behavior was due to drug use.
That's true. Kudos!
Ok, so Luthor went from uber smart megalomaniac to crazy man bc. of drugs ("Just say no!"  ), but how do you explain how Loeb went from good writer (ex., TLH one-shots in the early '90's) to hack (see: anything written from the last few years)?
I've been reading S/B from the get go and recently dropped this title. Got tired of waiting for it not to suck. How it's possible to take two of the most popular characters in the world and make their title boring, I'm still trying to understand - neverthelees, it is quite an accomplishment to have done so...a sad one, yes, but an accomplishment nontheless...
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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No, we need a diarrhea emoticon...
Ewwwww....
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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Loeb was never THAT good in the first place. I'm sure those stories he made long ago, although enjoyable, were ones he's had in his head forever... so he could revise them over and over until they're perfect. Now that he's on the clock, he's pressured and showing he's not capable of monthly work.
Remember, those were one-shots.
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Yeah, but TLH wasn't just a one-shot and was good - DV was ok, but still better than the crap he's churning out today... it just strikes me as a total 180 in his quality of work, is all.
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See, I never thought The Long Halloween was anything better than average. Maybe reading the individual issues had a different effect than when I read it in trade. I don't know. I found the story to be transparent and figured out the ending before I finished with the first couple of issues. And Hush just seemed to follow that same structure of one mysterious enemy, but in the end you find out it wasn't just him. I haven't read Dark Victory, so I'm not sure how that turned out. At best, Loeb was your standard comic book writer. At worst (i.e. right now) he's an absolute hack.
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Agreed. I think TK is right, Loeb's running dry. The best thing he could do is take a little time off. He's proven that he's capable of writing good stories, if he's given enough time to work them out better.
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At best, Proc was your standard forum moderator. At worst (i.e. right now) he's an absolute hack.
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in other words typical badly written Loeb rubbish. avoid. Pro, Doc, and I decided for us that this book is in it's own little world separate from the DCU.
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I know Loeb isn't a favorite here, but I'll ask anyway:
What's the deal with the Batman/Superman series he writes? I flipped through the TPB that collects the first 6 issues and the Secret Files, and that book was odd.
Not sure about that, but Superman/Batman had promise in the beginning with the first arc. But each arc after Public Enemies just keeps getting worse and worse. First he rehashed Silver Age stuff (some of which I didn't mind), now he's recycling newer stuff and adding in Marvel charact...er...ripoffs. The Supergirl arc was decent, and Absolute Power had awesome potential...but it crapped out something fierce at the end. This arc doesn't make sense, seems to have little plot, and has too many cameos and nods. Like I said before, I'll be happy when Loeb goes to Marvel (sounds like a movie title). Hopefully Superman/Batman will be left to someone capable of bringing out the book's full potential.
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I would LOVE to see Grant Morrison take over Superman/ Batman.
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I would LOVE to see ROY in leather chaffs without any pants on.
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He'd be great. Though I would love to see Dan Jurgens take on art duty. I don't mind a lot of today's hot teams, but I'd love to see some old school writers and artists, who know the characters better, on the title.
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Yes! Dan Jurgens does a fantastic Superman, and I'd love to see him draw Batman some more.
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Thank you! Jurgens gets the confident, strong, and powerful Superman better. It'd be a breath of fresh air compared to the whiny sumbitch we got in some of today's comics.
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Yes. When Jurgens draws, men look manly, women look lovely, and all is right with the world.
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I would LOVE to see Grant Morrison take over Superman/ Batman.
When is Loeb leaving? And are there any rumors about who will be taking S/B? It's bad enough that I won't be picking up Ultimates, Vol. 3 bc. Loeb's taking over, but if say Millar and Hitch for example were to switch over and take over S/B, I'd add it to my pull list again. Just put some real talent on that book - its Batman and Superman for crying out loud! They should not suck as badly as they do in Loeb's hands.
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Yes! Dan Jurgens does a fantastic ROY BATTY, and I'd love to see him draw GRIMM & MisterJLA some more.
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Yes. When Jurgens draws, Llance looks manly, ROY looks lovely, and all is right with the world.
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It's bad enough that I won't be picking up Ultimates, Vol. 3 bc. Loeb's taking over, but if say Millar and Hitch for example were to switch over and take over S/B, I'd add it to my pull list again.
And you'd only have to spend money on it twice a year.
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Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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What about Batzarro? Batzarro's cool.
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