Quote: r3x29yz4a said: I believe Colin Powell and John Mccain (a man who has been tortured) say it doesn't work. In facts soldiers are traditionally trained to withstand physical pain. So I don't think it has any real benefit. That's why governments worldwide have studied psychological warfare and tactics for decades.
And I dissagree w/ them. Why would soldiers be trained to whithstand phisical pain if phisical pain didn't help to extract information.
i guess you have firsthand experience with being tortured and trained as a soldier to offer a valid disagreement? or did you just watch 24 last season?
Quote: You're right though, governments DO study the effects of psychological and governments and iterregators, not John McCain, have concluded that torture works. It's even a cliche among POWs that "everyone breaks". Yes John McCain was a POW, but he's also a politition and you have to factor both of those in decifering what he says.
he's a republican. going against the president who is a member of your own party is risky, bad politics in fact, especially on such a divisive issue.
Quote: Were you aware that our Marines are subjected to watter boarding? And that thier instructions are thet when enduring this form of torture they will break but the goal is to withhod as much information as they can? Are you aware that the average detainee can withstand watterboarding for about 30 seconds before breaking? Were you aware that when someone is held by the enemy who is known to have critical information that they will try as much as possible to change thier plans assuming the enemy will have extracted at least some crucial information. Why do you suppose that is? It's because as you mentioned governments have studied these things and to reiterate what governments concluded is that torture works. McCain can offer us anecdotal evidence from a political perspective, that is all.
there are clear lines on these matters. what people like you are attempting to do is blur the lines and the laws that have existed on this for years.
