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this board is so insane. you guys jump all over me for posting a valid opinion, while ignoring pariah for saying it was all a staged plot by the civil rights groups.
Wouldn't the fact that it was staged mean that she actively participated in civil rights?
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this board is so insane. you guys jump all over me for posting a valid opinion, while ignoring pariah for saying it was all a staged plot by the civil rights groups.
There's nothing valid about your opinion here, r3x. You and White-Power Pariah are both being douchebags in this instance. People ignore Pariah (self included) because graduating early from high school gave him a case of douchebag-itis. He doesn't know shit about shit, and continues to reinforce this.
What surprises about your douchebag move here is that you're generally better than this. Your arguments tend to be way less douchebag (or not douchebag at all) that the drivel you've posted on this thread. I'm disappointed.
Pariah, on the other hand, will never let me down because he's a douchebag. He's the internet equivalent of a Klan rally: sounding stupid, and signaling nothing.
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What surprises about your douchebag move here is that you're generally better than this. Your arguments tend to be way less douchebag (or not douchebag at all) that the drivel you've posted on this thread. I'm disappointed.
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There's nothing valid about your opinion here, r3x.
Don't throw me in with Pariah. I'm not belittling the Civil Rights movement, simply the validity of saying Rosa Parks is some sort of hero.
In her own words she was simply tired and didn't feel like moving. By all definitions that equals stubborn and lazy.
Certainly the rules forcing her to the back were terribly wrong, but it doesn't make her some sort of hero for sitting there.
And even if afterwards she was used as an icon for Civil Rights and participated in rallies and marches, it was all based upon one act of laziness.
Its like how George Washington only agreed to be president because he had some debts to pay off and a rather sizeable alcohol habit to support. You can say he did some great things as President, but he still chose to become President out of greed.
JFK also did great things as President, but he was pushed into the role in the first place by his father.
do you see my point or are you guys going to keep calling me a douchebag to feel better about yourself? Because, lets be honest, that's the only reason this deep thoughts board exists.
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this board is so insane. you guys jump all over me for posting a valid opinion, while ignoring pariah for saying it was all a staged plot by the civil rights groups.
We KNOW Pariah's full of shit. There's no reason to continually call attention to that.
You want to be lumped in with him]?
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this board is so insane. you guys jump all over me for posting a valid opinion, while ignoring pariah for saying it was all a staged plot by the civil rights groups.
There's nothing valid about your opinion here, r3x. You and White-Power Pariah are both being douchebags in this instance. People ignore Pariah (self included) because graduating early from high school gave him a case of douchebag-itis. He doesn't know shit about shit, and continues to reinforce this.
What surprises about your douchebag move here is that you're generally better than this. Your arguments tend to be way less douchebag (or not douchebag at all) that the drivel you've posted on this thread. I'm disappointed.
Pariah, on the other hand, will never let me down because he's a douchebag. He's the internet equivalent of a Klan rally: sounding stupid, and signaling nothing.
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Pariah's point is actually more valid than Ray's
There is a case to be made that Parks's actions were part of an orchestrated plan for civil disobedience.
This, however, arguably makes her more, not less, a hero.
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In her own words she was simply tired and didn't feel like moving.
Here are her own words on the matter from her autobiography:
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People always say that I didn't give up my seat because I was tired, but that isn't true. I was not tired physically, or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in.
Previous to her arrest she and her husband were both active in the civil rights, and she even worked for the NAACP. Washington and Kennedy may have become president for reasons other than supporting their country, but you can hardly compare that to standing up against a social injustice in a time and place that would respond with death threats and acts of violence against your person. She knew there was a shit storm coming because of her one single act, yet she did it anyway. Stubborn? Yeah, she was stubborn; but so was Gandhi and every other person who's brough about social change. It's a required trait. Lazy? Hardly so. Lazy people take the easy way out, which, in this case, would have been to move further back in the bus. Instead, she sat, lost her job, received countless death threats, spent a shitload of money on her legal fees, and had to move to Detroit for her own saftey. So, Ray, please understand all of your facts first before spouting things off like you are prone to do.
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Pariah's point is actually more valid than Ray's
There is a case to be made that Parks's actions were part of an orchestrated plan for civil disobedience.
This, however, arguably makes her more, not less, a hero.
The Civil Rights Movement should not be looked upon disfavorably because there were moments that were orchestrated. The American Revolution was certainly orchestrated. They drafted, wrote, and signed a Declaration of Independence. That didn't just happen at a picnic outside Philadelphia one hot day in July.
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I'm more concerned with the act then the motive. People can say Lincoln fought slavery to try and win an election or any other theory (valid or not)--the fact is he did it. Whether Parks was too tired to do it or not is immaterial; she still took a stand that could have cost her her life. When's the last time any of us did that?
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There's nothing valid about your opinion here, r3x.
Don't throw me in with Pariah. I'm not belittling the Civil Rights movement, simply the validity of saying Rosa Parks is some sort of hero.
In her own words she was simply tired and didn't feel like moving. By all definitions that equals stubborn and lazy.
Certainly the rules forcing her to the back were terribly wrong, but it doesn't make her some sort of hero for sitting there.
And even if afterwards she was used as an icon for Civil Rights and participated in rallies and marches, it was all based upon one act of laziness.
Its like how George Washington only agreed to be president because he had some debts to pay off and a rather sizeable alcohol habit to support. You can say he did some great things as President, but he still chose to become President out of greed.
JFK also did great things as President, but he was pushed into the role in the first place by his father.
do you see my point or are you guys going to keep calling me a douchebag to feel better about yourself? Because, lets be honest, that's the only reason this deep thoughts board exists.
First off, you threw yourself in with Pariah. Second just so you don't have to go looking i do support tourture in some cases and I support our role in the war in Iraq. As far as a high horse goes, I never said your opinion was wrong I said the facts you use as a basis for your opinion are false. Because you can't even get the facts streight I think it would be a terrible waste of time to do all the work of streightening out all your false logic based on misinformation just in order to try to address your point. So spend a couple of hours do some real research get the facts right and then try to re-state your opinion based on the facts as they truly are.
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tasteless and insensitive, yes. ... but i can't not laugh when i see this
if you sold that t-shirt in your store, i would totally shoplift it.
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Americans Honor Parks at Capitol Rotunda
By KEN THOMAS, Associated Press WriterWASHINGTON - In hushed reverence, Americans paid tribute Monday to Rosa Parks, with more than 30,000 filing silently by her casket in the Capitol Rotunda and a military honor guard saluting the woman whose defiant act on a city bus inspired the modern civil rights movement.
"I rejoice that my country recognizes that this woman changed the course of American history, that this woman became a cure for the cancer of segregation," said the Rev. Vernon Shannon, 68, pastor of John Wesley African-Methodist-Episcopal Zion in Washington, one of many who rose before dawn to see the casket.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., accompanied new Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito and his family to the Rotunda, where they paused in silent remembrance. Several senators joined the procession.
Elderly women carrying purses, young couples holding hands and small children in the arms of their parents reverently proceeded around the raised wooden casket. A Capitol Police spokeswoman, Sgt. Jessica Gissubel, said more than 30,000 passed through the Rotunda since Sunday evening, when the viewing began.
Many were overcome by emotion. Monica Grady, 47, of Greenbelt, Md., was moved to tears, she said, that Parks was "so brave at the time without really knowing the consequences" of her actions.
Bathed in a spotlight, Parks' casket stood in the center of a Rotunda that includes a bronze bust of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who led the 381-day boycott of the Montgomery bus system that helped initiate the modern civil rights movement.
In preparation for a memorial service, her casket was taken down the steps of the East Capitol by a military honor guard of pallbearers, followed by her family. A vintage Metropolitan bus dressed in black bunting followed the hearse, along with other city buses.
Parks, a former seamstress, became the first woman to lie in honor in the Rotunda, sharing the tribute bestowed upon Abraham Lincoln, John F. Kennedy and other national leaders. President Bush and congressional leaders gathered for a brief ceremony Sunday night, listening as members of Baltimore's Morgan State University choir sang "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."
Parks, who died last Monday at 92, was arrested in 1955 for refusing to give up her bus seat to a white man, an incident that inspired King and helped touch off the civil rights movement.
Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record), D-Mich., in whose Detroit congressional office Parks worked for years, said the ceremony and public viewing showed "the legacy of Rosa Parks is more than just a success for the civil rights movement or for African-Americans. It means it's a national honor."
People began gathering outside the Capitol before noon Sunday and the line of well-wishers and mourners slowly pushed along into the early morning hours Monday.
Parks also was being remembered Monday at a memorial service at the Metropolitan A.M.E. Church in Washington and was then to lie in repose at the Charles H. Wright Museum of African American History in Detroit. The program at the Washington memorial service included tributes by Oprah Winfrey, NAACP chairman Julian Bond, Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., and Conyers.
At the Capitol ceremony Sunday, Senate chaplain Barry Black said Parks' courage "ignited a movement that aroused our national conscience" and served as an example of the "power of fateful, small acts."
Bush, who presented a wreath but did not speak at the ceremony, issued a proclamation ordering the U.S. flag to be flown at half-staff over all public buildings Wednesday, the day of Parks' funeral and burial in Detroit.
"She was a citizen in the best sense of the word," said Sen. Tom Harkin (news, bio, voting record), D-Iowa. "She caused things to happen in our society that made us a better, more caring, more just society."
Among those paying respect was Ann Durr Lyon, 78, of Harrisburg, Pa., whose parents, Virginia and Clifford Durr, helped bail out Parks following her arrest. Lyon carried with her a typewritten tribute to the civil rights pioneer, noting her mother "is in heaven waiting for her friend. Mrs. Parks will light up God's heaven — FREE AT LAST!"
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Crypts Near Civil Rights Hero Now Command a PremiumHow much should it cost to spend eternity near the woman responsible for the seminal moment in the civil rights movement? The Woodlawn Cemetery here, where Rosa Parks and members of her family are entombed, says $60,000.
That is now the cost of the seven crypts — priced last year at $45,000 to $50,000 each — that are closest to Mrs. Parks.
More than three dozen other crypts in the outer hall of the newly renamed Rosa L. Parks Freedom Chapel are being offered at $24,275 each, up from $17,000 to $20,000 before Mrs. Parks was entombed.
In death, as in life, the old real estate adage "location, location, location" apparently holds true.
Woodlawn sits like an oasis on the city's northernmost border, its towering oak and pine trees a world apart from the liquor stores, strip clubs and car dealerships that line the busy streets nearby. It is the final resting place of prominent Detroiters, including the auto barons in the Ford and Dodge families, and the family of the Motown singer Diana Ross, who plans to be buried there.
For Mrs. Parks, whose funeral in November shifted the nation's attention away from the city's troubles to fond memories of its most revered citizen, a chapel was even refurbished.
But some members of Mrs. Parks's family are furious with the cemetery, accusing it of trying to exploit her legacy. They said they were never asked if they wanted to buy any of the open crypts and were upset that the cemetery is negotiating with another unidentified family that wants to buy the seven spots closest to their beloved matriarch.
Cemetery officials, who acknowledge they have not spoken with Mrs. Parks's family about the pricing plan, said the increases reflected the cost of revamping the chapel with a new carpet, a security system, fresh paint and a bronze bust of Mrs. Parks that will arrive later this year. The additional money will also help cover the cost of three crypts donated to Mrs. Parks and her family.
Funeral industry experts said, however, that it was highly unusual to charge a premium for burial spots near someone famous. "I've just never heard of a cemetery changing their prices just because a prominent person is buried there," said Robert Fells, general counsel for the International Cemetery and Funeral Association.
Woodlawn's management rejected the suggestion that it had inflated prices because it knew people would pay more to be laid to rest next to Mrs. Parks.
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