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My thoughts, if for no other reason so that I can look back and recall my feelings about the movies months/year from now:
-I thought this was a pretty weak year for movies, but it seems like the last time I thought otherwise was around 2001, so perhaps I'm just jaded(er). I actually wasn't intending to even watch the Oscars year, but then I remembered Jon Stewart was hosting, and I was mildly curious to see if the show's tediously grandiose nature would dilute his comedic talents the way it had so many others before him. I was pleasantly surprised on that front. For the most part, he was himself, which was good.
-I maintain, and perhaps unfairly, that Reese Witherspoon winning any kind of acting award is a joke. I fully expected her to win, though; afterall, the Academy gave awards to Halle Berry, Nicole Kidman and Julia Roberts in consecutive years. They should have just made up a Hilary Swank movie and given it to her again. Swank, and maybe I'm just crazy here, seems to be getting more and more attractive every year(most likely because each year I am further removed from the memory of her stunningly immersive performance in Boys Don't Cry).
-To be fair to Reese, I didn't think her nomination was the most absurd. That dishonor, in my mind, goes to William Hurt, who not only was barely in A History of Violence(seriously, he's there maybe 10 minutes), but when his role in the movie was revealed, I literally burst out laughing. He looked ridiculous, and his accent was terrible. It was like listening to someone doing a really bad DeNiro impression. William Hurt is sort of like Gregory Peck in that he can be very good in a particular role, but if he ventures too far outside that limited range, his woodeness becomes apparent. Peck was a much better actor, though, obviously.
-I thought Crash was a good movie, but it didn't quite live up to the expecations I had based on the enormous level of praise it received on these boards and elsewhere(for example, it had a rating around 8.7 or so on IMDB for a while). It was somewhat preachy, and for a movie that was clearly trying to break Hollywood conventions, it still managed to carry a lot of the standard mainstream-movie trappings. That being said, I thought it was light years better than Chicago. I really hope it resurrects the career of Matt Dillon.
-I finally saw Brokeback Mountain, and people here need to lay off it. It was a legitamately great movie(in my opinion, the best of five nominated for best picture). I had all kinds of pre-conceived notions about what the film would try to be and say, and it shattered them all. It is slow, as it should have been, but the last 15 minutes of the film were some of the most heartbreaking and powerful in recent memory for me. I don't think one can overstate Ang Lee's importance; most mainstream American directors would have tried to attach an agenda to it. Also, Heath Ledger was surprisingly good. Infact, I'm convinced it wasn't him, but rather a good actor with Heath's head superimposed.
-Phillip Seymour Hoffman rocks. He needs to get Paul Thomas Anderson to make another movie. Immediately. I thought Capote was a marginal film by itself, though. It seems like there was a lot more to the story that the film didn't bother to dig into. Still, it's worth seeing for Hoffman, who could act circles around the other Best Actor nominees, as well as pretty much every other actor or actress nominated(Paul Giamatti and Judi Dench being exceptions).
-Don Cheadle should have been nominated. He should be nominated every year, really. I'm assuming he wasn't because Dillon was also nominated. Someday, Don Cheadle will win something, and it will be long overdue.
-I hope Robert Altman's honorary award doesn't mean his directing days are essentially over, the way it seemed to for Sidney Lumet last year(I don't have very high hopes for Lumet's new film, Find Me Guilty).
-Ann Coulter is perhaps the most predictable person in the world. Honestly, if you had asked me to guess at her feelings on this year's Oscars, I would have written down exactly what she did. She's not even trying, anymore.
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I'm glad I didn't choose to "ride the homosexuals to victory" like Killcony did or I would've gotten even more wrong. 
Yeah, never trust a homosexual. I voted for Brokeback in all of its categories in an attempt to cash in and win at our Oscar party and all I got was AIDS.
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I wasn't that impressed with Stewart as a host. He was a bit too stiff in the beginning, and though he found his pace later on in the show, he just seemed like a watered down version of his Daily Show self.
Hopefully, if he hosts again, the committee will loosen the reigns.
He was right, though, it really did get a little easier for a pimp.
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Still haven't seen it. Did it deserve the award?
Yes, it was the best all around of the nominees, I think.
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anyone notice how there was an undercurrent of "pro-theaters/anti-DVD"? Am I the only one who noticed this mentioned a bit? About how "great" going to the theater is, and how it couldn't possibly compare to buying the DVD?
I noticed it too. And, with all due respect, to the academy I thought it was a bit absurd, given that many, if not most, of nominated films just came to, or are about to come to, DVD this month to capitalize on these awards.
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Easily the best host I've seen.
I take it, then, you missed Steve Martin.
Stewart wasn't bad. Easily the best host since Martin (who knocked it out of the park) and about as good as Crystal in his later (off) years.
But Martin ruled.
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I voted for Brokeback in all of its categories in an attempt to cash in and win at our Oscar party and all I got was AIDS.
From your mother no less...ass.
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Crash wins best motion picture.
Good. It deserved it.
Is it only fair to say this if you've seen the other nominees?
I'm disappointed BROKEBACK didn't win, but I can't claim it deserved it over the others, which I have not seen.
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I'm disappointed BROKEBACK didn't win, but I can't claim it deserved it over the others, which I have not seen.
As much as I love Brokeback, and would have liked to see it win....Crash is the better movie.
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I have to disagree with your sentiment here. I don't think there is anything less "real" about Batman Begins than any other movie. The content may be fiction, but, the way it was made was as artistically valid as any other movie.
This is the type of mentality that keeps genuine drama, brilliant writing, and genius acting in shows like Battlestar Galactica from getting nominated for an Emmy, as it is "just science fiction". Art is art.
Sorry. You have a right to your opinion, but, this is one of my pet peeves when it comes to Hollywood and their awards...
I agree with you, but unfortunately, I think the only superhero movie that deserves to get recognition is Unbreakable. Personally, Katie Holmes (not the acting, the unnecessary cliched character) ruined The Bat-Man Begins for me. And it's not like any of the conflicts were resolved too well... It's a great movie, but definitely Christopher Nolan's worst.
And about sci-fi, I don't really know much about the subject, but most fans seem to think Episode III is the best sci-fi movie ever, when looked objectively it's a load of shit.
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Ok, I can live with that.
Really, I'm happier to see remarks about BROKEBACK coming from Animalman and such than I would have been to see it win Best Picture. I'm happier to see that it speaks to people, gay and str8.
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Crash? Eh.
I watched like five minutes of the show and now I've got that pimp song stuck in my head. Dizzamn.
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Crash wins best motion picture.
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Is it only fair to say this if you've seen the other nominees?
I'll rephrase: Of the movies I saw this year, Crash was the most deserving.
However, if it makes you feel better, Mrs G, film buff, registered democrat and all around sensitive gal, saw all of the nominated films except "Munich," and, while she thought BM was an excellent film, she was of the opinion that "Crash" was head and shoulders above everything else she saw this year.
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I have to disagree with your sentiment here. I don't think there is anything less "real" about Batman Begins than any other movie. The content may be fiction, but, the way it was made was as artistically valid as any other movie.
This is the type of mentality that keeps genuine drama, brilliant writing, and genius acting in shows like Battlestar Galactica from getting nominated for an Emmy, as it is "just science fiction". Art is art.
Sorry. You have a right to your opinion, but, this is one of my pet peeves when it comes to Hollywood and their awards...
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I agree with you, but unfortunately, I think the only superhero movie that deserves to get recognition is Unbreakable. Personally, Katie Holmes (not the acting, the unnecessary cliched character) ruined The Bat-Man Begins for me. And it's not like any of the conflicts were resolved too well... It's a great movie, but definitely Christopher Nolan's worst.
And about sci-fi, I don't really know much about the subject, but most fans seem to think Episode III is the best sci-fi movie ever, when looked objectively it's a load of shit.
Not to mention the fact that the LotR won nearly every Oscar imaginable the year it was up.
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anyone notice how there was an undercurrent of "pro-theaters/anti-DVD"? Am I the only one who noticed this mentioned a bit? About how "great" going to the theater is, and how it couldn't possibly compare to buying the DVD?
I noticed it too. And, with all due respect, to the academy I thought it was a bit absurd, given that many, if not most, of nominated films just came to, or are about to come to, DVD this month to capitalize on these awards.
The reason they did this was in response to te plumiting box office figures. Unwilling to question wether or not Hollywood is making movies people WANT to see, their only recorse is to accuse the consumer. At least Clooney was honest in a speach following the Oscars about making political movies. This was teh lowest combined box-office of any Best picture in the History of Oscar. If you decided as an industry to alienate 51% of your audience, then you're going to lose sales and it has nothing to do with DVDs wich have been arround a long time. People would LOVE to go to the theater, if there were movies they wanted to see. Case in point, films like Narnia, Star Wars, Harry Potter have not suffered from the Box Office pains that the accadamy was aggonising about.
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it's too expensive....simple as that. I can go to the movies with my wife and pay 18$ or I can wait and buy it on DVD for 18$ and have it to see whenver I want. It doesn't take a rex to figure that out.
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Shouldn't that say "even a rex can figure that out."?
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It takes a big deal to get me to go to the cinema to see a film these days. Even Batman couldn't convince me to get to the theater.
PJP's right...that shit's just bloody expensive.
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I think people tend to forget that the Oscar Awards isn't about awarding the most commercial movies. It's insiders picking the movies they thought were the best for that year. While it's an entertainment industry, film is also an art so voters tend to eye films that expand their medium. It's something that we outsiders can't buy or influence. This bugs all the right people IMHO.
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Every movie nominated is relatively succesfull and commercial.
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Easily the best host I've seen. One of the few times I actually watched the whole show.
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Yeah, me too. Looks like the Academy is learning from their past mistakes. At least, this year.
Probably not:
ABC is in for a "Crash" landing in the Oscar ratings.
The Academy Awards were down 10 percent from last year's ceremony, based on preliminary Nielsen Media Research ratings from the nation's 55 biggest markets. If the full national ratings follow suit later Monday, this year's ceremony will likely be the second least-watched Oscars telecast behind 2003, when "Chicago" won best picture.
The ceremony, where "Crash" won a surprise best picture trophy, drew a 27.1 rating and a 40 share. Each rating point is equivalent to 1.1 million homes, while the share indicates that 40 percent of the TVs in use last night were tuned to the awards.
Last year's metered markets had a 30.1 rating and 43 share, Nielsen said.
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King Kong made out pretty well,I daresay.Three Oscars in the effects categories...not a bad finish.
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Mxy: While I definitely agree that Katie Holmes was, by far, a useless Hollywood convention shoved in to make it, in fact, a "Hollywood" movie, you can't fault Christopher Nolan. I doubt he had anything to do with either that casting, or, the actual script he was working from. Still, I get your point. Again, though, this movie wasn't up for 'Best Movie'. It was up for cinematography...and well deserving in my opinion.
Batman Begins and, quite frankly, most all superhero movies are not deserving of Oscars on the merits of storytelling. No matter the depth or relevance of the source material, it always comes out as watered-down when it's made into a movie. But, areas like cinematography and acting...well, those are perfectly valid as far as deserving awards. I'm not saying Ben Assfleck should win for his "acting" in Daredevil. But, guys like Chris Reeve as Superman...Jack as The Joker...Toby as Spider-Man...Hugh as Wolverine...these guys go the distance in making you feel the nuance of the characters. That's deserving of at least artistic merit, and shouldn't be lumped into "just another superhero character".
As far as sci-fi goes, the common moviegoer wouldn't know gold from crap. If it has Vin Diesel spouting a few catchphrases, then it's the greatest thing since....Home Alone...in their opinion. Check out shows like the current Battlestar Galactica. That's a show that turns convention on its head, and makes no bones about being realistic, driven, and relevantly powerful drama. It makes every other sci-fi...and many standard shows...seem like child's play. It deserves awards, period. It's up to the viewers to figure out who or what deserves it the most.
Anyway, just my opinion.
G-Man: Must disagree. The supposed Neilsen Ratings are a joke. I would love to see the supposed "science" behind how they measure the numbers. I watched the entire show. But, I don't remember having a Ratings box or anyone from Neilsen calling me up to ask if I did so. So to me, their opinion is pretty useless.
But, screw the ratings anyway. I still think Stewart hit it out of the park. And, yes, Martin has always been a genius. Still, there's room for a new generation of genius to come along and make a play at greatness. Stewart was exceptional, imo...
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I think people tend to forget that the Oscar Awards isn't about awarding the most commercial movies. It's insiders picking the movies they thought were the best for that year. While it's an entertainment industry, film is also an art so voters tend to eye films that expand their medium. It's something that we outsiders can't buy or influence. This bugs all the right people IMHO.
The president of teh Academy seems to have forgotten that too when he said that the Oscars represent teh views of society, if that's true, why isn't society watching the film. It's a foolish artist who thinks the only reason his art is unpopular is because socitey "doesn't get it".
I've alwayse viewed the Oscars as being the same as the Yearbook Comitee in High-Schhol. It's where all the self=proclaimed popular kids sit arround and give themselves awards.
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But, screw the ratings anyway. I still think Stewart hit it out of the park. And, yes, Martin has always been a genius. Still, there's room for a new generation of genius to come along and make a play at greatness. Stewart was exceptional, imo...
As noted above, I thought Stewart was pretty good. If they can't get Martin back, I wouldn't mind Stewart doing it again.
My point was simply to note that the show's low ratings make it less likely that the Academy will "get it" and bring Stewart back.
Right or wrong, those ratings are primarily what ABC and the academy will look at in determining whether or not Stewart was a "success." And given those ratings there's a decent, if unfortunate, chance they'll consider his stint a failure.
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Most critics are saying the show was long and boring. I never really listen to those bastards anyway but that is the consensus, that Stewart was just average. With that said....I didn't think he was great, but he did way better than I thought he would. I'd give him a B-.
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Personally, I wish they'd get Conan O'Brien.
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i'd actually watch it if they did
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Conan did the Emmys a few years ago. He was great.
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he's the best night show host. far as i am concerned.
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Mxy: While I definitely agree that Katie Holmes was, by far, a useless Hollywood convention shoved in to make it, in fact, a "Hollywood" movie, you can't fault Christopher Nolan. I doubt he had anything to do with either that casting, or, the actual script he was working from. Still, I get your point. Again, though, this movie wasn't up for 'Best Movie'. It was up for cinematography...and well deserving in my opinion.
Batman Begins and, quite frankly, most all superhero movies are not deserving of Oscars on the merits of storytelling. No matter the depth or relevance of the source material, it always comes out as watered-down when it's made into a movie. But, areas like cinematography and acting...well, those are perfectly valid as far as deserving awards. I'm not saying Ben Assfleck should win for his "acting" in Daredevil. But, guys like Chris Reeve as Superman...Jack as The Joker...Toby as Spider-Man...Hugh as Wolverine...these guys go the distance in making you feel the nuance of the characters. That's deserving of at least artistic merit, and shouldn't be lumped into "just another superhero character".
As far as sci-fi goes, the common moviegoer wouldn't know gold from crap. If it has Vin Diesel spouting a few catchphrases, then it's the greatest thing since....Home Alone...in their opinion. Check out shows like the current Battlestar Galactica. That's a show that turns convention on its head, and makes no bones about being realistic, driven, and relevantly powerful drama. It makes every other sci-fi...and many standard shows...seem like child's play. It deserves awards, period. It's up to the viewers to figure out who or what deserves it the most.
Anyway, just my opinion.
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People would LOVE to go to the theater, if there were movies they wanted to see. Case in point, films like Narnia, Star Wars, Harry Potter have not suffered from the Box Office pains that the accadamy was aggonising about.
Heh, how ironic. I didn't pay to see any of those movies.
Of course, the three movies you mention did have a distinct advantage over four of the five movies nominated for Best Picture: they weren't rated R.
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Mxy: While I definitely agree that Katie Holmes was, by far, a useless Hollywood convention shoved in to make it, in fact, a "Hollywood" movie, you can't fault Christopher Nolan. I doubt he had anything to do with either that casting, or, the actual script he was working from. Still, I get your point. Again, though, this movie wasn't up for 'Best Movie'. It was up for cinematography...and well deserving in my opinion.
Batman Begins and, quite frankly, most all superhero movies are not deserving of Oscars on the merits of storytelling. No matter the depth or relevance of the source material, it always comes out as watered-down when it's made into a movie. But, areas like cinematography and acting...well, those are perfectly valid as far as deserving awards. I'm not saying Ben Assfleck should win for his "acting" in Daredevil. But, guys like Chris Reeve as Superman...Jack as The Joker...Toby as Spider-Man...Hugh as Wolverine...these guys go the distance in making you feel the nuance of the characters. That's deserving of at least artistic merit, and shouldn't be lumped into "just another superhero character".
As far as sci-fi goes, the common moviegoer wouldn't know gold from crap. If it has Vin Diesel spouting a few catchphrases, then it's the greatest thing since....Home Alone...in their opinion. Check out shows like the current Battlestar Galactica. That's a show that turns convention on its head, and makes no bones about being realistic, driven, and relevantly powerful drama. It makes every other sci-fi...and many standard shows...seem like child's play. It deserves awards, period. It's up to the viewers to figure out who or what deserves it the most.
I agree with pretty much everything you say here, even if you are channeling my annoying friends with your Battlestar Galactica speech.
Although, Star Wars was nominated for a million awards back in the day(including the major ones like picture, supporting actor and director), as was E.T: The Extra Terrestrial. How E.T was nominated, while legitimately great movies like Brazil, 2001: A Space Odyssey and Alien went virtually unnoticed by the Academy, is highly perplexing for me. Unlike comic book movies, I think the science fiction genre has some truly important and masterful films to its credit(like the three I just mentioned). Movies that stack up with the all time greats.
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Prometheus said:
Mxy: While I definitely agree that Katie Holmes was, by far, a useless Hollywood convention shoved in to make it, in fact, a "Hollywood" movie, you can't fault Christopher Nolan. I doubt he had anything to do with either that casting, or, the actual script he was working from.
He co-wrote the screenplay.
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Well, fair enough then. However, do you think it was his idea to shove in a love interest where one was not needed? Or do you think he was following studio guidelines for standard demographics?
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I can not say, but it isn't like Nolan and he DID have a shitty co-writer.
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