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THE Bastard said: Now, if you want to say that a player cheats the fans or the "institution" of baseball or even himself by using steroids, I'll aggree with that. That's a whole different thing.
I'll say that, and if I do, then I also have to say that all of those guys should be banned from the hall. If a guy can't get in for gambling, then players who have pissed on the game itself most certainly should not be given the honor.
As for what steroids can do for a baseball player...
Maybe McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds where able to have those big home run seasons because the didn't get just tired enough late in games so they could still hit with just enough power. Or maybe they didn't get just tired enough as the season went on so they could maintain their power. Or maybe all the steroids did to them was allow them to heal faster so they could play more. I really don't know exactly how steroids effect a player in a non contact sport.
Steroids would make them run faster, and give them better endurance, so Palmerio's record doesn't hold any water as far as I'm concerned. I can see how steroids helped him along, and he was caught using before he broke the record, so he was cheating after the rules were changed. But I don't think anyone here disagrees about Palmerio.
It's the home run records that come into question. I wish someone had an answer. The argument is that steroids can turn a single into a double, a double into a tripple, and a high tripple into a home run. I can't argue against that, and if that is the case, than I find myself asking how many of McGuire's, Sosa's, and Bonds' home runs should have been tripples or outs.
<sub>Will Eisner's last work - The Plot: The Secret Story of the Protocols of the Elders of ZionRDCW Profile"Well, as it happens, I wrote the damned SOP," Illescue half snarled, "and as of now, you can bar those jackals from any part of this facility until Hell's a hockey rink! Is that perfectly clear?!" - Dr. Franz Illescue - Honor Harrington: At All Costs"I don't know what I'm do, or how I do, I just do." - Alexander Ovechkin</sub>
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Hall of Famers concerned about shadow over Bonds' HR pursuit
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2006-05-06 12:54 AM
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Irwin Schwab
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2006-09-24 9:52 PM
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Irwin Schwab
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2006-09-25 5:22 AM
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PJP
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2006-09-25 5:29 AM
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THE Bastard
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