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First, Joe leaves this thread because his Red Sox suck more than usual... Now, you and gob are fighting (or whatever)... What's next?!! This ain't right.  It just ain't right, I say...
 Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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Maybe a naked Yankee victory hug will make you feel better.
I'm sure Rob and I will be ok. He just needs to learn his role.
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Maybe a naked Yankee victory hug will make you feel better.
Can we make it a naked-birthday-Yankee-victory-hug? 
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I'm sure Rob and I will be ok. He just needs to learn his role.
Don't they all, baby, don't they all...
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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yankees lost at my game tonight.
because of that, i am no longer a fan for the season.
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yankees lost at my game tonight.
because of that, i am no longer a fan for the season.
Ah, Joe... 
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
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Yanks won 6-4 against the shitty Tigers. They took 2 out of 3 and 5 out of 7 for the season series. Detroit is a pretty shitty team. Their fans are even shittier.
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oh, wait, they won today?
maybe i will cheer for them...
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oh, wait, they won today?
maybe i will cheer for them...
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Alex Rodriguez snapped out of a 1-for-24 slump with three hits, including his 27th home run, backing Randy Johnson and leading the New York Yankees over the Detroit Tigers 6-4 on Thursday.
maybe we should cheer for A-Rod again. What is the etiquete of being a fair weather fan.....let's ask Joe!
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arod is now the best player in baseball evar!!1!
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we have a buncha jackasses running around with "Red Sox Nation" cards. Basically, they paid $10 to join a fan club and think that somehow puts them on equal footing with us die-hards. But if you aske them where they were in 2003 during Game 7 of the ALCS, or for Game 6 of the 1986 WS, or what their first game was, damned if they know or remember. It's nice to get your $10 card, your $100 jersey, and your $25 cap. But it doesn't make you a fan.
what is you ask them where they were at the end of august 2006?
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yankes are averaging 51,362 in attendance, every home game now. 3.3 mil total, so far, with 15 or so left to go. that should push them over 4 mil again, for the year. they're winning now, 3-0. and rodriguez hit another homer Quote:
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4-0 now after Arod got yet another RBI......bases loaded no outs. They should break the game wide open now.
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we have a buncha jackasses running around with "Red Sox Nation" cards. Basically, they paid $10 to join a fan club and think that somehow puts them on equal footing with us die-hards. But if you aske them where they were in 2003 during Game 7 of the ALCS, or for Game 6 of the 1986 WS, or what their first game was, damned if they know or remember. It's nice to get your $10 card, your $100 jersey, and your $25 cap. But it doesn't make you a fan.
what is you ask them where they were at the end of august 2006?
what does make you a fan Joe? Giving up on your team when they hit a rough patch?
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we have a buncha jackasses running around with "Red Sox Nation" cards. Basically, they paid $10 to join a fan club and think that somehow puts them on equal footing with us die-hards. But if you aske them where they were in 2003 during Game 7 of the ALCS, or for Game 6 of the 1986 WS, or what their first game was, damned if they know or remember. It's nice to get your $10 card, your $100 jersey, and your $25 cap. But it doesn't make you a fan.
what is you ask them where they were at the end of august 2006?
what does make you a fan Joe? Giving up on your team when they hit a rough patch?
Ouch. The truth hurts.
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Yanks won 10-1 and Darrell Rasner got his first win as a Yankee. Only his second start and he looked awesome. Yesterday the other new/young guy Karstens pitched and looked great. We may be seeing the future of the Yankees here along with Phil Hughes. The Yankees are really coming together when it counts and look great. Plus Jeter is only 6 points behind Mauer for the batting title!
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also Arod has 5 homers in the past 3 games and looks to be feeling comfortable and gearing up for October!
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arod is now the best player in baseball evar!!1!
the lineup is lookin nice now, too. i sorta regret that matsui and sheff will soon return.
damon is having a great year. abreu, cano, and melky have been phenomenal for their roles. jeet could probably sure up an mvp trophy. giambi is the only regular with a hurting batting average (250-260s) but he can defend that with 30 plus homers, 100 plus rbis, and 100 plus walks.
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arod is now the best player in baseball evar!!1!
the lineup is lookin nice now, too. i sorta regret that matsui and sheff will soon return.
damon is having a great year. abreu, cano, and melky have been phenomenal for their roles. jeet could probably sure up an mvp trophy. giambi is the only regular with a hurting batting average (250-260s) but he can defend that with 30 plus homers, 100 plus rbis, and 100 plus walks.
I was worried/regretting it too Rob but let's just say Matsui and Sheff come back full strength. Torre said yesterday that Sheff would be playing First Base (an old position of his) and Matsui and melky would split time and Bernie would pinch hit since Giambi would be the DH. It would be crowded but that is a good problem to have this time of year.
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Bernie and Cabrera were pretty good in August, but overall they've been holes in the Yankee lineup. Put a healthy Matsui and Sheffield in their places, and New York is set top to bottom. Given how inconsistent the rotation has been, they'll need all the offense they can get for the playoffs.
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oh hush, annie.
melky and bernie have been fantastic of late. plus, they've had the season (particularly cabrerra) to develop and improve and ... well... season.
sheff and matsui are both basically in spring training mode during playoff season. granted, stat-line to stat-line, the two returning players are better fits for power-hungry yankee lineups. but i can't help but think they are a disruptance to a team at this point.
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oh, and boston lost again.
joe might have to not be a fan next season, too.
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oh hush, annie.
melky and bernie have been fantastic of late. plus, they've had the season (particularly cabrerra) to develop and improve and ... well... season.
sheff and matsui are both basically in spring training mode during playoff season. granted, stat-line to stat-line, the two returning players are better fits for power-hungry yankee lineups. but i can't help but think they are a disruptance to a team at this point.
If Matsui and Sheffield aren't healthy, then it might be a disruptance. Otherwise...you're getting two All-Star veterans with major playoff experience and clubhouse clout. How is that a disruptance? It's not like they're two guys the team acquired at the trade deadline. I'd think it would energize the team to have the familiar faces back in the lineup.
I know everyone loves Bernie. He did a lot of great stuff once upon a time. He's probably a nice guy, too. But he's been hovering somewhere in between "sub-par" and "lousy" for four years, at the plate and certainly in the outfield. Gary Sheffield at 80% is still a significant improvement.
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Yanks won 12 -5 last night. Magic number is 17.
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If Matsui and Sheffield aren't healthy, then it might be a disruptance. Otherwise...you're getting two All-Star veterans with major playoff experience and clubhouse clout. How is that a disruptance? It's not like they're two guys the team acquired at the trade deadline. I'd think it would energize the team to have the familiar faces back in the lineup.
I know everyone loves Bernie. He did a lot of great stuff once upon a time. He's probably a nice guy, too. But he's been hovering somewhere in between "sub-par" and "lousy" for four years, at the plate and certainly in the outfield. Gary Sheffield at 80% is still a significant improvement.
meh, i think this is where our baseball philosophies differ. you're a big fan of the stat line. i'm a big fan of the intangibles.
i don't see how it could not be disruptive, replacing players that have basically played the entire season -- and done so a lot better than you give them credit for. hell, even living in a stat world, i find it impossible to spit on a 285 batting average.
full season to full season ideal? sure, odds are, sheff and upperdecki will be significantly more important to a team than bernie and cabrera. but we didn't have the ideal this year, we had a rough spot to work through, and one the yankees have built off to become one of the best teams in baseball; two highlights of which were melky and bernie.
you don't think there could be a negative team impact by splitting up the gutty core?
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btw, whattya think jeter's chancers are for picking up an mvp?
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meh, i think this is where our baseball philosophies differ. you're a big fan of the stat line. i'm a big fan of the intangibles.
Yes, I suppose I am a "big fan of the stat line"(the object of baseball is to score runs and win games, which are, well, stats), but I mentioned intangibles, as well. I said, about Matsui and Sheffield, "two All-Star veterans with major playoff experience and clubhouse clout". Some mighty fine intangibles there, which Cabrera lacks in both cases.
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i don't see how it could not be disruptive, replacing players that have basically played the entire season -- and done so a lot better than you give them credit for. hell, even living in a stat world, i find it impossible to spit on a 285 batting average.
Bernie was very good in August, as I said, but there's no denying that he's been a shell of himself the last four years. A .283 batting average is decent, but pretty close to meaningless when you examine the whole of his statistical production. He doesn't walk(of the eight Yankees to record 300 at bats so far this year, he's last in getting on base), he doesn't hit for much power, and he's lost nearly all his speed. If he was a dazzling defensive centerfielder, his offense would be passable, but he's neither dazzling nor a centerfielder anymore.
Bernie just isn't very good. I'm sorry, but it's true. Melky Cabrera might be good someday, but he's not very good, either(at the very least, he's not as good as Sheffield or Matsui).
If this were a situation where the Yankees were trading Bernie and Cabrera for two outfielders from another team, then I could perhaps see where you were coming from, but these are proven All-Stars and guys who have played with the Yankees for several years.
In the '04 ALCS, when New York lost to the Red Sox, while A-Rod was slapping people and Jeter was being very un-Jeterish, the two guys that carried the Yankee offense were Sheffield and Matsui. They had the most hits and the most RBIs.
What's going to be more disruptive, do you think: being down late in the game and having one of them on deck, or having a 22 year old rookie in Cabrera on deck? Which situation do you think Torre is going to be more comfortable with? Which situation would you rather be in?
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you don't think there could be a negative team impact by splitting up the gutty core?
Cabrera and Bernie will still be a part of the team, and will still get at bats. Infact, considering what's gone on the last few years, I'm sure Bernie will still get plenty of at bats. He's too beloved not to. Nobody has the heart to tell him he can't play. It's somewhat similar to what went on with Jeff Bagwell in Houston up until recently. It's painful to watch your heroes and admit they just aren't starter material anymore.
To answer your question: anything could happen, but do I think it's likely? No, not really. The team knows what Matsui and Sheffield can do. They've earned the right to re-assume their roles now that they're(presumably) healthy. They're also smart enough to realize that makes them better, not only improving their starting lineup, but deepening their bench. The bench can play a vital role in the playoffs, especially in the World Series.
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btw, whattya think jeter's chancers are for picking up an mvp?
Well, he's Jeter, so his chances are very good. Sportswriters love high batting averages, and he has that in spades. He plays a critical position, on a playoff team. Giambi's had a great year at the plate, but overall, Jeter has probably been the most valuable player on the team.
Given the way the Red Sox have tanked, and Papi's recent absence, I think Jeter's the favorite at this point.
Now, the best player in the AL has been Travis Hafner, hands down, but that rarely seems to affect the MVP voting. They should really change the award to the MIP: Most Indispensable Player. Or, perhaps, MVPOGT: Most Valuable Player On Good Team. Value is value, if you're 5 games out of first place, or 50 games out of first place.
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Yes, I suppose I am a "big fan of the stat line"(the object of baseball is to score runs and win games, which are, well, stats)
players can be significantly better or worse than their slugging percentage dictates, for any number of reasons. as can teams. many of the past few ring wearers were the "little stat" guy.
hell, there are whole franchises out there (courtesy of billie beane -- very interesting books, that guy) who think all the worshipped stats are garbage.
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Matsui and Sheffield, "two All-Star veterans with major playoff experience and clubhouse clout". Some mighty fine intangibles there, which Cabrera lacks in both cases.
dunno whats covered out there, but on not-rare-enough occasion, sheffield has been anonymously "critiqued" by yankee players, as not exactly being the most team-minded person. at best. and matsui ...knows a dozen or so words of english.
amazingly great players, both. but i can't exactly support the claim that they are clubhouse champions or cubscout den mothers.
cabrera, on the other hand, is a rookie upstart that has proven himself over the course of an incredibly tough spot and tough year. instant respect. and bernie is an unspoken captain.
again, i'll be the first to tell ya, at years start, i like the sound of "matsui and sheffield" in my lineup much more than what we had. and i'm not even saying i'd rather have the two "big guns" sit out now. certainly, just their mere presence in a lineup is tremendously more intimidating to an opposing pitcher. its a boon.
i just feel you're all-too quickly overlooking the benefit bernie and melky provided, and could provide, to the team.
they are the "hot hand." the date you came with or the horse you rode in on. ...or even the date you rode in on. they're a force partially responsible for getting the team to where it is today.
and, frankly, i can't accept a point of view that feels their removal isn't disruptive -- even if, in the end, sheff and matsui prove the better pair.
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actually, what i'm hearing now is that cabrerra will be the starting outfielder, indefinitely -- torre not wanting to risk injuring matsui's hand in the outfield.
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players can be significantly better or worse than their slugging percentage dictates, for any number of reasons. as can teams. many of the past few ring wearers were the "little stat" guy.
There is no one end all-be all stat. Even comprehensive stats like OPS, EqA, VORP, win shares, etc. have to be contextualized. I know this, as every competent fan should.
Obviously, I love watching baseball, and I do believe a part of that is allowing myself to form personal opinions about players and teams that go beyond stats. However, I also believe that statistical analysis in baseball is, by far, the best way to objectively evaluate an individual's value, assuming you look at the right stats, in the right context.
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hell, there are whole franchises out there (courtesy of billie beane -- very interesting books, that guy) who think all the worshipped stats are garbage.
Beane hasn't written any books to my knowledge(though he had a book written, in part, about him, by Michael Lewis). Do you mean Bill James? It's his work that Beane, among others, has utilized in running his team. James believes that there are certain stats that are worthless, yes. Specifically, stats like batting average and RBI. That's not to say James doesn't believe in stats, though. Quite the opposite, actually. James, like me, believes that stats are the best way to look at a player's contribution objectively, and, I admit, a great many of my thoughts about baseball are influenced by his work, which is terrific. James is to sabremetrics what Plato was to philosophy.
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amazingly great players, both. but i can't exactly support the claim that they are clubhouse champions or cubscout den mothers.
I didn't make that claim. I said they're proven All-Star players with a lot of playoff experience. I can't tell you what every player thinks of him, and I don't think you can tell me, either. But I'd be willing to bet that both are respected, and trusted to produce when it counts. Sheffield was a big part of a World Series team, and Matsui probably knows more about pressure than anybody in baseball, as he has a whole country following his every move.
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i just feel you're all-too quickly overlooking the benefit bernie and melky provided, and could provide, to the team.
I think they provide two solid bench bats. I'm not suggesting either guy be left off the playoff roster or be relegated to towel-twirler.
They were both hitting well in August, and August was a big month for the Yankees, so I give them credit for that. The other side of that coin also applies, though, and over the course of the season(as evidenced by their statlines), they've had more downs than ups.
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and, frankly, i can't accept a point of view that feels their removal isn't disruptive -- even if, in the end, sheff and matsui prove the better pair.
Well, I'm a little perplexed by the notion that something can be disruptive, but better. Maybe it's semantics, but, to me, disruptive implies worse.
If it makes the team better, and gives the team its best chance to win, then it can't be much of a disruption, right?
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actually, what i'm hearing now is that cabrerra will be the starting outfielder, indefinitely -- torre not wanting to risk injuring matsui's hand in the outfield.
Hurm. Where does that leave Sheffield? Cabrera, Abreu, Damon, Sheffield, Matsui. Even with Matsui DHing, that's four outfielders. Unless Sheffield is hurt to the point where he won't be near ready even by the playoffs, that doesn't seem like a wise move.
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However, I also believe that statistical analysis in baseball is, by far, the best way to objectively evaluate an individual's value, assuming you look at the right stats, in the right context.
i'll agree that, for objective comparison, stat-vs-stat is really the only "fair" judge. but i'll also hold, strongly, that watching player A vs player B, rather than their stats, will often give you a more realistic and appropriate read -- allbeit a more difficult one to debate on message boards.
for example, i'd readily nominate jeter as mvp in most any season, despite (many) others having monumentally higher stat lines.
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Beane hasn't written any books to my knowledge(though he had a book written, in part, about him, by Michael Lewis).
aye, thats the main one i was refering to. "moneyball"
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amazingly great players, both. but i can't exactly support the claim that they are clubhouse champions or cubscout den mothers.
I didn't make that claim.
true, but i refuted it all the same, as it is my argument that the intangible aspects of the game that leaders like bernie provide have more merit than it sounded like you had given credit for.
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They were both hitting well in August, and August was a big month for the Yankees, so I give them credit for that. The other side of that coin also applies, though, and over the course of the season(as evidenced by their statlines), they've had more downs than ups.
well, for that argument, matsui has had more downs than any of the four this season (hand asplosion, aside)
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and, frankly, i can't accept a point of view that feels their removal isn't disruptive -- even if, in the end, sheff and matsui prove the better pair.
Well, I'm a little perplexed by the notion that something can be disruptive, but better. Maybe it's semantics, but, to me, disruptive implies worse.
nah.
you can hire a bunch of NFL linebackers to be on your college scrimmage team, too, to kick some ass. humorously, even. but it'll still be a disruption to the former team.
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Hurm. Where does that leave Sheffield? Cabrera, Abreu, Damon, Sheffield, Matsui. Even with Matsui DHing, that's four outfielders. Unless Sheffield is hurt to the point where he won't be near ready even by the playoffs, that doesn't seem like a wise move.
sheff, believe it or not, has been training to play first base.
that'd basically be platooning first base, DH, and the entire outfield until one "clicks". and, if i'm not mistaken, this could be put into practice as early as the yanks' next series, against baltimore.
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Yanks lost 5-0 tonight.
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but i'll also hold, strongly, that watching player A vs player B, rather than their stats, will often give you a more realistic and appropriate read -- allbeit a more difficult one to debate on message boards.
for example, i'd readily nominate jeter as mvp in most any season, despite (many) others having monumentally higher stat lines.
I'm sure just about anybody who watched Jeter on a frequent basis would arrive at the conclusion that he's pretty good. Probably even pretty great.
The only problem(and I'm not picking on Yankee/Jeter fans; this is simply continuing your example) is in saying that Jeter is the MVP of the league, on the basis that...well, you watched him. It's not like you watched most of, or even half of the games every other player in the AL played. Even those who watch a lot of baseball only get to see certain players in small, inconsecutive pockets.
One of the principle ideas in the book you mention, "Moneyball", is that the eyes can often deceive. We can watch players that look spectacular, compared to players that, well, don't, and our eyes tell us that the spectacular looking guy is better, when that isn't always the case.
Incidentally, I do think Jeter is a legitimate MVP candidate this year(for the first time this millenium). Not who I'd pick as "the guy" at this point, but certainly, given the position he plays, top 5. His best season since '99.
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aye, thats the main one i was refering to. "moneyball"
It's a good book, and many of the theories expressed in it are based on the work of the great Bill James.
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true, but i refuted it all the same, as it is my argument that the intangible aspects of the game that leaders like bernie provide have more merit than it sounded like you had given credit for.
Fair enough. It is my argument that any intangible qualities he provides he will still be able to provide as a bench hitter and occasional starter, and that his replacement, whether it be Sheffield or Matsui, will provide better tangible qualities(i.e hitting and fielding). Thus, everybody wins.
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well, for that argument, matsui has had more downs than any of the four this season (hand asplosion, aside)
His batting average was lower, but even in his off year, he still had better all-around numbers than both Bernie and Melky. His walk-rate was better, he hit with more power, he had a higher OPS. Of course, this was all in a fairly small sample size. Only 119 at bats. Less than a fifth of the season.
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nah.
you can hire a bunch of NFL linebackers to be on your college scrimmage team, too, to kick some ass. humorously, even. but it'll still be a disruption to the former team.
I don't see how this comparison fits. The Yankees aren't bringing Matsui and Sheffield back just to practice with the team. If you put a bunch of NFL linebackers on your college team, to play, chances are, that college team would be better.
You really haven't specified how it's a disruptance. I doubt they'll be much resentment, on anyone's part. Afterall, they're all professionals, and they must know who the team has a better chance to win with. You've admitted that Matsui and Sheffield are likely to produce more, if healthy. Where's the disruptance? Are you saying that the difference between Bernie's intangibles and Sheffield/Matsui's intangibles is going to overcome the large difference in their onfield production? What of Melky Cabrera's intangibles? Are you now attributing similar greatness to him, a 22-year-old kid with no playoff experience, marginal prospect hype and a knowledge of English that isn't any better than Matsui's?
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The only problem(and I'm not picking on Yankee/Jeter fans; this is simply continuing your example) is in saying that Jeter is the MVP of the league, on the basis that...well, you watched him. It's not like you watched most of, or even half of the games every other player in the AL played. Even those who watch a lot of baseball only get to see certain players in small, inconsecutive pockets.
though i do think, based solely on what i can see (through whatever outlets i have available to me) he's still top choice... i'll admit, there's a shit load of players i've never seen play.
whoakay then. more specifically, i'd say he's almost always been the mvp of the yankees, despite other yankees winning, or being in the running for, the actual league award.
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You really haven't specified how it's a disruptance.
its like you've never seen teen wolf.
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Are you saying that the difference between Bernie's intangibles and Sheffield/Matsui's intangibles is going to overcome the large difference in their onfield production?
i'm saying that, currently, the yankees are a near-dominating first place team, playing exceptionally well. they're constantly flirting with a season-high record, and many things about them are "clicking" to a fantastic degree.
to me, any change, even one that later pans out to be "for the better," will disrupt the flow of a currently great team.
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its like you've never seen teen wolf.
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to me, any change, even one that later pans out to be "for the better," will disrupt the flow of a currently great team.
So, you're saying, you'd rather the Yankes be better now and worse later, than worse now and better later, when "later" could mean the playoffs?
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