Quote: Animalman said: Joe's argument for Ortiz being the MVP last year was that A-Rod couldn't be because he wasn't the MVP of his own team, thanks to Jeter and his intangibles.
When did I ever say that Jeter deserved the MVP last year?
For the record, I do think Ortiz deserved the MVP last year. He had great all-around numbers (yes, I know he didn't steal many bases), didn't embarrass himself the admittedly few times he played the field, and had all the intangibles that most people value and you seemingly de-value in the face of every number stat you can find (leadershipand clutch hits, for example). I also think that, numbers aside, A-Rod was not the MVP of the Yankees - that honor would go to Matsui or Rivera or (maybe) Jeter.
That said, I also think there were other choices besides Ortiz or A-Rod. Johan Santana comes to mind, though the prejudice against pitchers as MVPs makes his winning difficult at best.
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Yeah, but it's just lazy to say "Ortiz deserved it cuz I hate Slappy". Which is why I posted alternate choices.
Quote: I bet it will really burn you if they win a championship this year.
Nah...with what George is paying out to other teams by being over the "cap", he deserves some sort of gift. Though I'd rather someone just buy him a copy of "7 Habits Of Highly Effective People" or made a charitable contribution in his name.
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Quote: PJP said: Jealousy really is an ugly emotion.
So's that one of Keanu:
Look at it! U-G-L-Y, it ain't got no alibi!
D'you think Slappy's jealous that Jeter will win this year's MVP? D'you he'd be jealous if Jeter won the regular season MVP and each postseason series' MVP? I think he would. But I also think he tries to smell Jeter's fingers for any lingering Mariah Carey stank.
(Y'know, this thread just got fun again...)
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I don't think he'd be jealous at all. He's not this horrible guy who people make him out to be. Do you think Big Douchie will be jealous when Jeter and ARod go to Cooperstown and all he gets his picture up at Mama Luigi's for eating 20 large pizzas in one sitting?
I don't think he'd be jealous at all. He's not this horrible guy who people make him out to be. Do you think Big Douchie will be jealous when Jeter and ARod go to Cooperstown and all he gets his picture up at Mama Luigi's for eating 20 large pizzas in one sitting?
Quote: PJP said: I don't think he'd be jealous at all. He's not this horrible guy who people make him out to be. Do you think Big Douchie will be jealous when Jeter and ARod go to Cooperstown and all he gets his picture up at Mama Luigi's for eating 20 large pizzas in one sitting?
Not at all. Do you know how much Mama Luigi pays her celebrities for endorsements? A lot. When Jeter and Sir Slapz-A-Lot divorce, who gets custody of Cooperstown? I think Slapmaster D will. After all, there's NO WAY he gets the Yankees away from Jeter!
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Quote: PJP said: Do you think Big Douchie will be jealous when Jeter and ARod go to Cooperstown and all he gets his picture up at Mama Luigi's for eating 20 large pizzas in one sitting?
they're the top two teams in the majors as of right now, so i'd gather they're the favorites for a world series.
however, at the time, their 2000 meeting produced some of the lowest ratings in a while -- mostly because its difficult for people to care about a team that is nowhere near them, and in the case of a subway series, thats 90% of the country.
did you guys know that Jeter leads the league in batting average when runners are in scoring position (over .400) and is now tied for the lead with Mauer for regular batting average. Just thought Joe....er you guys should know.
Yeah, my computer crashed. As such, I don't think I can write any more about this subject.
...just kidding!
Quote: Rob Kamphausen said: i think intangibles have a lot of weight, but arod's numbers were by far and away superior to any weight jeter's leadership offered.
I was referring to these set of quotes, from page 44:
"for example, i'd readily nominate jeter as mvp in most any season, despite (many) others having monumentally higher stat lines."
"more specifically, i'd say he's almost always been the mvp of the yankees, despite other yankees winning, or being in the running for, the actual league award."
I guess, then, you'd say that last year was one of the exceptions to the "almost always" part?
Quote: but there's no precise formula to calculate how many doubles equal an rbi or how many base hits equal a home run. are more homeruns more valuable than more basehits?
An RBI doesn't really equal anything, though. It is one of those stats I mentioned earlier that have been given far too much weight(batting average is another). It's a nice number to brag about with your buddies, but in terms of the value it actually represents towards the individual, it's pretty useless. Mickey Mantle, the greatest hitter of the last half century(who isn't suspected of using steroids, at least), drove in 100+ runs just four times, in 18 seasons. Juan Gonzalez did it eight times, in about 800 fewer games, and Gonzalez wasn't nearly as good a hitter as Mickey.
As for how many base hits equal a home-run, well, to put it simply...four. Four bases. But nobody really argues MVP's over "which is better, homeruns or base hits", nor should they. Even in just deciding who the best hitter was, you look at the total offensive performance, and you do that through tangible, comparable factors.
Quote: Joe Mama said: When did I ever say that Jeter deserved the MVP last year?
You didn't. And I didn't say you did. I said you claimed Jeter was more valuable than A-Rod, and therefore, A-Rod couldn't be the MVP.
Quote: For the record, I do think Ortiz deserved the MVP last year. He had great all-around numbers (yes, I know he didn't steal many bases), didn't embarrass himself the admittedly few times he played the field, and had all the intangibles that most people value and you seemingly de-value in the face of every number stat you can find (leadershipand clutch hits, for example). I also think that, numbers aside, A-Rod was not the MVP of the Yankees - that honor would go to Matsui or Rivera or (maybe) Jeter.
I've already explained my position. Statistically, A-Rod was superior offensively, and significantly superior when you consider his statistical contributions outside the batters box(in the field, and on the basepaths). I do not dispute that Ortiz is the leader of his team, and that as such he should be afforded some extra points in MVP consideration. I simply don't see how something as undefinable and unquantifiable as "leadership" can overcompensate for the significant difference in what was definably and quantifiably clear. It's nonsensical. The MVP shouldn't be a popularity contest.
Quote: That said, I also think there were other choices besides Ortiz or A-Rod. Johan Santana comes to mind, though the prejudice against pitchers as MVPs makes his winning difficult at best.
I think it's less prejudice than it is reason. The five man rotation has drastically reduced the starting pitchers impact over the course of a full-season. There's just only so much they can do, playing once every fifth day.
Quote: Pig Iron said: Big Pap Smear should get a check up because there has to be a reason that his pussy hurts so badly.
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Quote: PJP said: Boston won.....Yanks magic number is 6. If we win 3 games this weekend the division is ours.....again.
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Quote: PJP said: I could live with Joe Mauer or Dye getting the awars over Jeter. I personally can't see ever giving the award to a DH again. It's not MVP of the Red Sux, it's MVP of the entire League which Ortiz is clearly not. Unless we are talking about eating pizzas.
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Quote: answers.com said: The Major League Baseball batting average championship (often referred to as "the Batting Title") is awarded to the player in each league who has the highest batting average with at least 3.1 plate appearances per game that his team has played.
so in a 162 game season, that would be 502.2 plate appearances.
before today's game, cano has 419 atbats, and 17 walks, so about 440 plate apperances. i dunno how many sacrefices, but lets just say 10.
yanks have 16 games left after today. if he can get in 4 atbats a game in most of those, he'd have a pretty damn good shot at going 1 and 2 with jeter -- not unlike 1984's donnie and winfield
Papelbon's season is over, as most know by now, but his days as a closer might be done, as well. Papelbon says he wants to start, which I think is a good idea.
split squad yankees dropped both games yesterday. after rehearsing a buncha more high school players, they really fucked up the second of the two. and jeter dropped the hit streak.
big deal....I'm just glad we don't have to see those sumbags again till April......they really are a bunch of criminals and scum. They make me sick. I had sais on Thursday to some friends that I don't care if they got swept.....IT DON"T MATTER YO! I;m kind of glad the hit streak is over too.....that shit gets distracting.
Quote: PJP said: big deal....I'm just glad we don't have to see those sumbags again till April......they really are a bunch of criminals and scum. They make me sick. I had sais on Thursday to some friends that I don't care if they got swept.....IT DON"T MATTER YO! I;m kind of glad the hit streak is over too.....that shit gets distracting.
The Yankess aren't ALL criminals and scum, Peter. Relax. They're still probably gonna clinch the division. Don't be so angry about losing three of four on Saturday and Sunday.
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