RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Comic Books Infinite Crisis #7 (Possible Spoilers...Eventually)

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Im Not Mister Mxypltk said:
That splash page looked like shit. It reminded me of the art in Millenium. And the splash page near the beginning, with the villain fight... nice way to save time, Phil, just cover the background in red and leave the characters in pencils.

What the fuck happened to Jimenez? Wasn't he supposed to be the main artist? He did like ten pages in this issue... I like Ordway and Perez, but they point of bringing them in was giving Ordway the earth-2 sequences and Perez the ones related to the first Crisis, not random pages all over the book. I could understand using several artists if Jimenez was as busy as Johns, but as far as I know this is the only book he's drawing. The whole thing looked messy and rushed.

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I agree that the ending of IC makes no sense, but you can see very clearly from where DC's editorial direction comes.

It is no secret that the real money in comics books comes not from publishing comic books in any form but rather the real money comes from the licensing of those properties to other media. Everything from lunchboxes to movies; the real money is in licensing. To that end DC editorial went about creating a fictional universe that is very similar to the fictional universes its characters inhabit in TV, and movies. For instance watch the latest Superman Returns trailer and you will find Lex Luthor foldling a crystal that looks remarkable like the crystal he currently carries with him in the monthly Action and Superman books. Moreover, at the close of IC #7 Lex looks an awful lot like Kevin Spacey. Early on DC aid that there was only going to be ONE Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman; and the reason is to make the the characters uniform throughout all of their various media incarnations.

This "new" fictional universe makes the transition from comics to other media more seemless. Every story and iteration of a character that's been published is a part of the fictional continuity now. The real purpose of Infinite Crisis was not to tell a good story. IC was not a good story from the perspective of skillful storytelling. It's loaded with deus ex machina moments, rapid, illogical pacing, inconsistent art, and glaring plot holes. The real purpose of Infinite Crisis was to reset the table so as to make all DC properties homogenous, easily portable between media, and recognizeable to the non-comic book, or casual comic book reader.

The real crisis is that comic book readership is not growing. While licensing of comic book charaters provides more revenue that publishing their adventures; it is because of the decades old history that these characters can commenad such staggering prices for licensing. That is in jeopardy when there is no growth in new readership. DC and Time-Warner management is hoping that homogeny among the version of characters in differing media will result in cross sales into other media. For example, someone plays a Superman game online then decides to read the comic book, or the Superman movie brings moviegoers into comic book shops.

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Rob Kamphausen said:
i just felt the whole book was a very forced and rushed sum up of the enormous hype and what not.

i still don't understand why earth-2 superman wasn't fuckin shit up left and right. isn't he the planet-moving sunhumma bitch? how was current-superman even coming close to holding his own against or with him?

and why the fuck would batman pull a gun on alex? why was there a gun there for him to grab, and then why would the most anti-gun person in comics hold that up to luthors face instead of ... oh, i dunno, a whole buncha punches? a kick? smoke pellet in his nose? teabagging?

and wondie proves her point by... dropping her fragile sword?

argh.

and who the fuck is the batman beyond looking chick in the lower right of the final spread?

and is that the new martian manhunter suit? cuz it, too, sucks!

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I have to agree. It just left me with an empty feeling. Not in the emotionally sorrowful way, either. But, just...."meh". And, while I was reading it, the only thing I thought was "What the Fuck?"

There was no impact. No climax. All the dialogue and point of the story was either beaten over our head with literal meaning, or, was simply just there. WTF??

Everytime it seemed like the story might go somewhere, or, take on a real life, or, take a real chance.....Johns quickly reigned it back into simplified mediocrity. WTF??

Where was the "shocking deaths"? Connor?? Really? That's it? Well, what happens if you never gave a shit about Connor in the first place? What then? WTF??

Also, can someone explain how in the FUCK Nightwing survived that blast to the chest? Anyone? One panel he's laying there bleeding all over everything....next, we see he, Tim, and Bruce setting off on their Gay Cruise. WTF??

How did Superman lose his powers? Kryptonite exposure? For a fucking YEAR? WTF??

Wonder Woman's sword can carve atoms in half, and cut Superman's hands....but it breaks when it hits the ground from a simple toss? WTF??

Deathstroke single-handedly beat Batman down a few years ago, and slaughtered the JLA in IdC, but, in here, Bats, Robin, and Nightwing take him and tie him up off panel?? WTF??

So, instead of allowing the Golden Age Superman....the first superhero ever....his much deserved 'Happy Ending' from the original Crisis, Johns digs his body up, shakes it around alot with hollow dialogue for this mini, and then has him die a completely pointless death at the hands of a teenager??

W T F ? ?

What a sad, pathetic, pointless, and superbly uninspiring miniseries this turned out to be. Bad enough the art was so half-assed and uneven.....but they couldn't even have had the balls to do ANYthing worthy of using the name "Crisis"?

Pathetic. This truly seals it. Geoff Johns is a talentless hack. He now ranks up there with Jeph Loeb as being nothing but alot of unimaginative hot air. I now pray for the day he leaves DC Comics....

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Prometheus said:
Been checking out the DCMB's to see what the reaction is there. You wouldn't believe the amount of Johns-Apologists out there. It's ridiculous the lengths some people will go in trying to convince themselves that a turd is actually a diamond.

Here's some actual sincere, and sound logic I did find by one poster, though:

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I agree that the ending of IC makes no sense, but you can see very clearly from where DC's editorial direction comes.

It is no secret that the real money in comics books comes not from publishing comic books in any form but rather the real money comes from the licensing of those properties to other media. Everything from lunchboxes to movies; the real money is in licensing. To that end DC editorial went about creating a fictional universe that is very similar to the fictional universes its characters inhabit in TV, and movies. For instance watch the latest Superman Returns trailer and you will find Lex Luthor foldling a crystal that looks remarkable like the crystal he currently carries with him in the monthly Action and Superman books. Moreover, at the close of IC #7 Lex looks an awful lot like Kevin Spacey. Early on DC aid that there was only going to be ONE Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman; and the reason is to make the the characters uniform throughout all of their various media incarnations.

This "new" fictional universe makes the transition from comics to other media more seemless. Every story and iteration of a character that's been published is a part of the fictional continuity now. The real purpose of Infinite Crisis was not to tell a good story. IC was not a good story from the perspective of skillful storytelling. It's loaded with deus ex machina moments, rapid, illogical pacing, inconsistent art, and glaring plot holes. The real purpose of Infinite Crisis was to reset the table so as to make all DC properties homogenous, easily portable between media, and recognizeable to the non-comic book, or casual comic book reader.

The real crisis is that comic book readership is not growing. While licensing of comic book charaters provides more revenue that publishing their adventures; it is because of the decades old history that these characters can commenad such staggering prices for licensing. That is in jeopardy when there is no growth in new readership. DC and Time-Warner management is hoping that homogeny among the version of characters in differing media will result in cross sales into other media. For example, someone plays a Superman game online then decides to read the comic book, or the Superman movie brings moviegoers into comic book shops.

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Wednesday said:
That's what All-Star was supposed to be, no?

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Wednesday said:
That's what All-Star was supposed to be, no?

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Im Not Mister Mxypltk said:

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Wednesday said:
That's what All-Star was supposed to be, no?

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Is that a yes or no in Mxypltkinese?

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Wednesday said:
I figured Prometheus was just quoting Prometheus.

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Wednesday said:
Who is the new Marvel with the hood?

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Matter-eater Man said:

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Wednesday said:
That's what All-Star was supposed to be, no?

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Is it? I've been buying the All Star Supes but it started with Clark already well established as Superman. There doesn't seem to be a connected universe with All Star Batman that I've noticed. I guess I'm thinking of something more in line of a new Superman #1 coming, then a bit later a new Batman & Wonder Woman following.

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Im Not Mister Mxypltk said:

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Wednesday said:
That's what All-Star was supposed to be, no?

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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