RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Comic Books Infinite Crisis: greatest comic book event in the history of comic book events?

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You may be able to buy it, but I can't, nor ever will be able to accept that he just forgives the guy who participated in his mind-wipe, especially considering how DC have been playing up his paranoia with Brother Eye, and how he was monumentally pissed about the mind-wipe

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Again, there is progression within Infinite Crisis and the events preceding it showing the consequences of Bats' paranoia not just to the reader but to himself. The issue where he contacts Nightwing and has a tender moment asking him to round up other heroes, is him realizing he can't work alone after all. He needs so much help bringing down Brother Eye that he even calls guys like Ollie and Hal to help him do it: that's a great step for him. This is what IC is supposed to do, leave the dark period behind and make everyone friends again (for better or for worse).

This is simple stuff here buddy, it's not explicit but it's laying in plain view. It's not like this is Watchmen. I can't believe you didn't get any of it.

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Also a monumental coinsedence seen as the Superboy rights were being contested and now all DC has to do is revive him under a new name and they have full reign over his comics interpretation

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Geek paranoia, big destroyah.

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Comic Book Resources said:

Finally, as readers of today’s "Infinite Crisis" #6 can attest, DC has suddenly found itself short a character named Superboy. I'm certainly not suggesting that this necessarily has anything to do with the copyright infringement case, but please note that if Conner Kent were to return later, sans any Superboy connection (as in, a brand new name), then DC will have successfully avoided the copyright issue with Superboy. In addition, here’s an even trickier situation – DC currently still owns a trademark on Superboy, so no one can publish a comic using the name Superboy, even if they owned the copyright to the character! Therefore, DC can simply rename Conner Kent something else until the Siegel’s copyright runs out, at which point, they can return Conner (or whatever other character is introduced between now and 2023) to the name Superboy. In addition, as Time Warner has been quite willing to settle the case (in fact, one of their claims in the past involves their insistence that the Siegels already did settle, but decided to break the settlement agreement and therefore, the Siegels should be bound by the terms of the original settlement), this certainly does not hurt Time Warner’s negotiation position. In any event, it will be interesting to see what path this case takes in the future, as it could have a real impact on the comics we read and the TV shows that we watch.

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So, uh, ONE article convinced you this was absolute truth? Huh, ok...

If this was really the case, then DC would have simply renamed him. That's what usually happens with quick fixes: you can tell it was improvised because it doesn't fit the story. This does fit the story, as I've said before: the Superboy subplot begins in IC #1 (even before that if you look at Teen Titans) and finds a resolution here. This didn't come out of nowhere.

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The 1st Teen Titans issue OYL has Robin already trying to re-clone Superboy. While im sure it won't happen immediately, he WILL be back in the next couple of years.

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1. "Trying". You said he's already back.
2. He's not using Superboy's blood, he's mixing Superman's blood with Luthor's. If he does succeed in creating a clone, it would be nothing like Superboy; in fact, comic book logic tells us that since Superboy was more like Superman, this clone should be more like Luthor, like an evil twin of the dead Superboy. With a superpowered Luthor in his hands, Robin would have to accept that what he was doing was wrong, and finally come to terms with Conner's death. I think this character wouldn't last more than one story arc (or even one issue): he would die in the end, or turn into a bizarro and fall apart.
3. "Trying".
4. In any case, I believe the subplot here won't be the return of Superboy, it will be Robin coming to terms with his death and realizing it's wrong to try to make him come back from the death.

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Yeah, 'spose that would make sense, I never got 'round to reading the final issues in the trade because of the awful 4 parter about him going rogue

I still think it has a connection to the law-suit, it's just too convenient that DC would kill him off just when his rights are being questioned. I'm already bored with digging up information about the law-suit for this post, so I can't be bothered to see when the law-suit originally started. My basis there would be that DC knew the Seigel's would be contesting the rights [the Seigel's have known since 2004 that they could get them back] and were already prepping him for death to make it seem COIE inspired

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Wait, wait, so even if this was planned long ago, it's a genuine part of the story and not a "quick fix" as you suggest, whatever the editorial motivation behind the death may be.

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I meant a 'quick fix' in that they would get out of the law-suit and probably bring him back, not anything last-minute like a re-write, you've already explained how it was built up before hand. I can see how you interpretted what I said here, but that wasn't what I was going for. Sorry 'bout that

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When was the LOSH cartoon started? There's already fierce speculation that the cartoon is on hold while the law-suit and the rights are finilised. Depends how far along they are and if they believed the new cartoon would be challenged [from what little I know of it, it just started as a spat over Smallville]

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I read a plot synopsis they released recently, and it mentioned Superboy prominently. Since the synopsis was probably written recently for a press release, I think it would have avoided mentioning Superboy if they thought it was a point of conflict. I'm not sure if there's a release date yet, but it doesn't seem to be taking more than these things usually do.

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The Punisher thing again?

Im not taking message board rumours as quotes here, im saying his return has already been hinted at in TT. This could quite easily be as you speculate, a lesson for Robin, or it could quite easily gestate into Superboy's return under another name

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He hasn't come back yet, but DC are obviously pushing the idea of his re-cloning.

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"Obviously pushing his idea of his recloning". Heh. And you got that from ONE page in Teen Titans? I suggest you look up Didio's DC Nation column about Superboy's death and see how, if anything, DC is pushing for this to become another iconic death like Barry Allen's or Supergirl's.

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I highly doubt it's all a charade, the character has already become a corner stone of Johns' TT, and we both know what he's like as far as perverting characterisation and comic-book death to get what he wants [example: Kal-L's evilness or stupidness in IC to suit his story]

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Johns IS capable of doing that, but given the big deal they're making about it I doubt he will. Johns never brings back characters he killed himself or that were killed recently, it's always guys like Jericho or Raven, who've been dead for years, so he brings em back for nostalgia purposes.

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The basis of you're whole arguement is going on what was said at the DC Column. Did you really expect Didio to admit that they were killing him off to avoid the law-suit?!

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No, but you're missing a big point here: he wouldn't have made such a big deal about it if he was planning to bring him back right away. Wait, did you say right away or in a couple of years? I feel a little retcon coming now.

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More like an over-exaggerration than a retcon He would have made a big deal out of it, because Didio is paid to flog anything, just like that piece of shit about Jason Todd, how he got out of the coffin, and how he decided to blame everything on SBP's punches. The bigger the deal they make out of his death [and the character did deserve a decent send-off], the more money they rake in

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You're going on what you believe is true, and me what I believe. Theres no point argueing this as we are both going on unreputable sources. You: Didio. Me: The convenience of it all

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Actually, it's more like Me: Common sense and You: Something you read somewhere.

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How am I blaming Morrison for something that accured outside his run?! im not debating the Mutant de-population here, I've already established that that was a crock of shit. Im debating the folly of Morrison killing off Magneto and thinking it would stick

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AGAIN: Morrie didn't bring him back. Marvel brought him back. You're blaming Morrie because Marvel brought Magneto back OUTSIDE Morrie's run, when he had nothing to do with it. Once more, you're reading too much into it (though ironically you bypass simple understatements in IC).

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I still refuse to believe that Magneto can use magnetism to amp his strength up to Colossus level, or use the magnetic spectrum to become invisible, or open up dimensional worm-holes for instantaneous transportation. Fuck the explanation behind him also developing healing powers, Marvel have already gone out of control with Magneto and his assorted abilities

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Well, you're just being the comic book geek that complains that they changed Wolverine's hairdo in the movie here.

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They are giving Magneto far too many powers, the power to heal aswell is taking the piss, especially seen as he barely ever even uses most of this assorted powers. Morrison can have explained how magnetism or drug-use relates to healing powers any way he wanted, I wouldn't have bought into it, and rightfully so seen as it turned out not to even be Magneto [atleast according to Marvel, not Morrison ofcourse....]

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He's also not the type to become an addict. I can't say I care how Morrie justified it, its just not in Magneto's character to me, just like Luthor becoming a Kryptonite junkie isn't either

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I think our problem here is that I'm trying to use logic, while you're trying to use comic book message board logic. Both things don't go together well, you know?

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