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These are the specs for PS3 & XBox 360
I can't seem to find the specs for Wii.
Which would u buy?
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If thats a real word, then thats the one I will buy............oh that and the fact its the one I was gonna buy anyway!
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I can't seem to find the specs for Wii.
nintendo hasn't released the final specs yet, and has claimed it wont, publically, pre system launch.
however, its become "industry standard" that it will rank, power-wise, above the original xbox, but not near the 360 or ps3.
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Which would u buy?
meh.
nintendo, for fanboy reasons and otherwise.
i've yet to see a 360 game, outside of EA's boxing game, that interests me. the rare games, inparticular, have been very disappointing to me -- i was hoping at least kameo would sell me a system.
ps3 is really pushing its big name franchise games: metal gear solid, gran turismo, grand theft auto, tekken, tom clancy, etc. ... they all look phenomenal. like movie-quality cgi.
but gameplay wise, i'm heartily unimpressed, as they're all, essentially, the same games -- both in terms of being "just another" sequel, as well as really seemingly becoming all the same game.
again, the visuals are astounding, i thought the real-time lipsyncing to be incredibly impressivive. but i havta wanna play the games!
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interestingly enough, both microsoft and sony both feel that people will buy nintendo's product, as well. granted, they put their own, respective PR spin on the comments, but still... they're clearly acknowledging some predicted forthcoming success: With enemies like these, who needs friends?
planetgamecube.comNintendo has recently been barraged with kind comments by its closest competitors, Microsoft and Sony. During an interview with Reuters at E3 last week, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President, Peter Moore, made a swipe at Sony saying, "Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3? People are ... going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3. People will always gravitate toward a competitively priced product -- like what I believe Wii will be -- with innovative new designs and great intellectual property like Mario, Zelda and Metroid."
Sony, for their part, responded to Microsoft's barb in an interview with GamePro. "I think Peter Moore is exactly right," said Sony exec, Phil Harrison. "I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3. I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so."
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but gameplay wise, i'm heartily unimpressed, as they're all, essentially, the same games -- both in terms of being "just another" sequel, as well as really seemingly becoming all the same game.
And how does this differ from any system?
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interestingly enough, both microsoft and sony both feel that people will buy nintendo's product, as well. granted, they put their own, respective PR spin on the comments, but still... they're clearly acknowledging some predicted forthcoming success:
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Nintendo has recently been barraged with kind comments by its closest competitors, Microsoft and Sony. During an interview with Reuters at E3 last week, Microsoft's Corporate Vice President, Peter Moore, made a swipe at Sony saying, "Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3? People are ... going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3. People will always gravitate toward a competitively priced product -- like what I believe Wii will be -- with innovative new designs and great intellectual property like Mario, Zelda and Metroid."
Sony, for their part, responded to Microsoft's barb in an interview with GamePro. "I think Peter Moore is exactly right," said Sony exec, Phil Harrison. "I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3. I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so."
Or is it more of a case of they dont see the Nintendo as competition, but feel that saying it will sell better than their direct competion, is an insult.
The Microsoft guy kinda shoots himself in the foot by saying that price is the most important point for the buying public.
If that was the case then the PS2 wouldnt have sold & the Gamecube would have shifted bucket loads!
Its what people get for their money is what matters to the public, and people will often accept higher prices when a certain brand name is involved!
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I'm getting the Wii. Zelda, Metroid, Mario and the new controller. It will also be the cheapest, and I have no desire to spend 400+ for a system that has no games that interest me. I could see getting a PS3 later so I can play the Final Fantasy games and the new Gran Turismo, but the price is way too high and I don't care that much about those games anymore. I will be getting a 360 when KOTOR 3 is announced.
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The only reason I'd get Wii is for Zelda.
I can't bring myself to buy a system for just one game.
I'm leaning towards the PS3. But I wanna see if they improved the online play, because the PS2 online play was always lagging compared to XBox Live.
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but gameplay wise, i'm heartily unimpressed, as they're all, essentially, the same games -- both in terms of being "just another" sequel, as well as really seemingly becoming all the same game.
And how does this differ from any system?
while its true, sequels are nothing new... this is now yet another iteration of repeats. finding out that the ps3 is just ps2 games on crack didn't impress me. its a generic statement regarding their games, admittedly, but thats just how it felt.
i watched a full hour of ps3 trailers on a high def movie screen, and while each one was visually killer, all of them were just "version 5 or 6" of the same ole series. and most even seemed similar to one another -- a critique much of the audience shared.
it was all "one man, with varying levels of martial arts, versus an army of... robots, spies, russians, aliens, etc" -- so much so that subsequent trailer voice-overs were getting chuckles from the large crowd.
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but gameplay wise, i'm heartily unimpressed, as they're all, essentially, the same games -- both in terms of being "just another" sequel, as well as really seemingly becoming all the same game.
And how does this differ from any system?
while its true, sequels are nothing new... this is now yet another iteration of repeats. finding out that the ps3 is just ps2 games on crack didn't impress me. its a generic statement regarding their games, admittedly, but thats just how it felt.
i watched a full hour of ps3 trailers on a high def movie screen, and while each one was visually killer, all of them were just "version 5 or 6" of the same ole series. and most even seemed similar to one another -- a critique much of the audience shared.
it was all "one man, with varying levels of martial arts, versus an army of... robots, spies, russians, aliens, etc" -- so much so that subsequent trailer voice-overs were getting chuckles from the large crowd.
And of course Nintendo would never release sequels to anything would they!
I mean, theres only ever been one Mario game and one Zelda game!
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of course they have. some have been good, some have not.
whats your point?
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My point is, you knock Sony for sequels while Nintendo has pretty much built its whole reputation on one franchise!
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Look at it this way, every post you have made about E3 (that isnt hardware related) is either a sequel or a Mario game!
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the notion of sequel isn't inherently evil to me. nor is re-using a title or a character or a franchise (etc). in many cases, its a good thing -- and certainly one we can expect.
what i notice with many nintendo "sequels" is that something big is flipped around. there are typically some big risks taken, even with their major names. sometimes it works out for them, sometimes it doesnt.
nes to snes saw some "simple" presentation upgrades. but from snes to n64, a whole new dimension was added to the games, literally, making them, essentially, entirely new.
many expected the transition from n64 to cube to be the same type of "simple upgrade," but nintendo made efforts to change things up even more hand. the cube zelda had an entirely new style and story. the cube mario was in a whole new world equipped with weapons. metroid evolved to a 3d, first person perspective. donkey kong went from a platformer to a peripheral-based adventure. even mario kart took a new spin, changing the dynamic of the game with a second 'rider.'
granted, some of these efforts to keep things fresh ended up backfiring, as some people rejected the change. but at least it wasn't just "the same ole, same ole"
with nintendo's new systems, wii and ds, everything changes, deliberately. the entire interface with the medium is shook up and altered.
sure, its "just another mario," but its a mario unlike any before in some of the biggest ways possible.
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So without actually playing them, how do you know that the PS3 sequels are not gonna be different?
And if they arent that different its because they know what sells.
Look at MGS & GT for instance.
Both have not changed the formula in huge ways (although as with anything, tweaks have been made along the way), yet both franchises maintain a huge fanbase, and constantly top sales charts whenever a new version is released!
Sometimes it doesnt pay to fuck with what works!
You can bet your bottom dollar that most people will buy a PS3 purely on the basis of these games!
The formula of change hardly worked for the Gamecube now did it!
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i'm not at all saying my way or nintendo's way is the right way, nor would i push the view upon others. your theory is right; grand theft auto sold a shitload, making a duplicate with a few swaps here in there will mathematically perform equally.
i just happen to find it unimpressive and uninteresting.
the crowd i was with, even those staunchly in support of all things sony, seemed to heavily agree. no, that doesn't represent the gaming public, nor the final sales tallies, nor make any other scientific claim. but its certainly telling of something -- just as a 4+ hour line to get your chance at the new zelda tells something.
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So without actually playing them, how do you know that the PS3 sequels are not gonna be different?
those that i played (there were a few, but not many, demos on the floor) were identical to ps2 (and mostly ps1, for that matter) with some additional and amazing visual enhancements (couldn't really hear audio to judge, but its reportedly the same increment of increase)
those that i simply viewed were not presented, rumored, or briefed as featuring any new gameplay -- which, again, is not necessarily a fault.
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I'll get an XBox 360 around Christmastime. Not too interested in the others.
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If and ever a PS3. I simply cannot justify the 500 price tag though. Looks like Ill be PC gaming for awhile. . .
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If and ever a PS3. I simply cannot justify the 500 price tag though. Looks like Ill be PC gaming for awhile. . .
try with the canadian exchange. 
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I'll probably get a Wii right away and eventually get a PS3, especially if the Blu-Ray format takes off. From what I hear, the nhanced visuals of the XBox 360 and the PS3 can only really be seen on an HDTV, and it'll probably be a little while before I have one of those. I've been a loyal Sony fan, but the Wii looks like it'll have the most creative games and the price will be much lower.
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but gameplay wise, i'm heartily unimpressed, as they're all, essentially, the same games -- both in terms of being "just another" sequel, as well as really seemingly becoming all the same game.
This is pretty much exactly the problem I've had with Nintendo ever since they released the Gamecube. Sure, I loved Mario, Zelda, Metroit, Starfox, etc back in the day, but good grief, is there any console which saturates the markets with endless variations of the same characters/games like Nintendo?
This isn't to say I hate sequels. I don't. I might get a PS3 simply to play the new Metal Gear Solid game, because it looks phenomenal. I just like to see some new stuff every once in a while, too. Pretty much every game today is somewhat derivative of past games. That's true with products in any medium. However, it seems like the PS3 and XBox 360 are at least trying to expand on those ideas in new and creative ways. Gears of War, Assassin's Creed, Mass Efect, BioShock; all original, amazing-looking games that go along with the much anticipated sequels, like Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4 and God of War 2. After the countless hours of TV coverage from G4 and online coverage from IGN and Gamespot, the only stuff anyone really seemed to come away with from the Nintendo presentations game-wise were the new Super Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Smash Bros. installments.
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heh.
thats more or less the exact opposite of everyone i've spoken with.
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But that doesnt make you right or Animalman wrong, but the neither does it make you wrong & Animalman right!
Everyone has their own opinion, and bias is always gonna come into it!
One of the issues I have had with Nintendo over the last few years is that their catalogue is a lot smaller than Sonys, yet the bulk of their library is from the same franchise.
Even Sega didnt milk Sonic the way Nintendo has milked Mario.
Whether those games play the same or differently is neither here nor there, originality is not Nintendos strong suit!
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annie's comments were the exact opposite of all the critiques i've read and discussed, thats all i meant.
as for nintendo's titles being of a smaller range than sony's, it really isn't accurate. zelda, mario, smash bros, kirby, karts, metroid, star fox, donkey kong, luigi's mansion, etc, etc.... those are all nintendo games. they're not gamecube's (or wii's or snes') only games, nor are they the only ones that receive acclaim.
technically, in the case of this argument, sony doesn't have any games. they rely on the same third parties nintendo does. and looking at each of those third parties individually, nothing is all that impressive.
ea only really has madden. capcom only has resident evil. rockstar only has grand theft auto. konami only has metal gear, etc, etc.
does ps2 have more games than gamecube? yes. will ps3 have more games than wii? more than likely.
but in terms of quantity and quality or originality of games, no game maker even comes close to nintendo.
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Actually Sony does have their own games!
Gran Turismo is their own game, as is one of the F1 franchises!
They bought a software house years ago which does all their in house games!
As for EA, they have more sports franchises than just Madden!
Nintendo does not have anywhere near the originality you say!
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Actually Sony does have their own games!
Gran Turismo is their own game, as is one of the F1 franchises! They bought a software house years ago which does all their in house games! As for EA, they have more sports franchises than just Madden!
i know, i know, all of the above were just exagerations.
the point was all of these game companies have very few games, where as nintendo has many in comparison.
thus, saying stuff like:
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Nintendo does not have anywhere near the originality you say!
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It does make sense when you consider that Nintendo has trouble naming games anything that doesnt contain the name "Mario"
Not much originality there!
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It does make sense when you consider that Nintendo has trouble naming games anything that doesnt contain the name "Mario"
Not much originality there!
Dude...Mario Party #635 was damned fucking original!
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thats more or less the exact opposite of everyone i've spoken with.
Well, check out IGN's "Best of E3" list and the only Wii games mentioned are Wii Sports, and the new Metroid, Zelda and Mario games. Meanwhile, the only sequel on their PS3 or 360 lists is Metal Gear Solid 4 and Halo 3.
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annie's comments were the exact opposite of all the critiques i've read and discussed, thats all i meant.
as for nintendo's titles being of a smaller range than sony's, it really isn't accurate. zelda, mario, smash bros, kirby, karts, metroid, star fox, donkey kong, luigi's mansion, etc, etc.... those are all nintendo games. they're not gamecube's (or wii's or snes') only games, nor are they the only ones that receive acclaim.
technically, in the case of this argument, sony doesn't have any games. they rely on the same third parties nintendo does. and looking at each of those third parties individually, nothing is all that impressive.
ea only really has madden. capcom only has resident evil. rockstar only has grand theft auto. konami only has metal gear, etc, etc.
does ps2 have more games than gamecube? yes. will ps3 have more games than wii? more than likely.
but in terms of quantity and quality or originality of games, no game maker even comes close to nintendo.
Perhaps this is the fallacy of our argument. You're evaluating the gaming world based on the totality of a company's output. I'm simply evaluating the individual consoles and what games are available specifically for them(or at the very least, initially available specifically for them).
Look up the games I mentioned. Gears of War is an XBox360 game(by Microsoft). Mass Effect is alos a 360 game by Microsoft. Assassin's Creed is a PS3 game(by Ubisoft, currently listed as a PS3 exclusive).
These may be games that are similar to other previously existing games(that's unavoidable), but they're the games that are getting the pub at E3, and they're unique in content. Meanwhile, the Wii is making noise with new controllers but the same game franchises.
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It does make sense when you consider that Nintendo has trouble naming games anything that doesnt contain the name "Mario" Not much originality there!
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the only sequel on their PS3 or 360 lists is Metal Gear Solid 4.
im assuming you meant besides virtua fighter 5, rainbow six: vegas, virtua tennis 3, madden 07, full auto 2, final fantasy 8, mercenaries 2, brothers in arms, gran turismo hd, and any other sequel on the list i didn't notice the first time through. but yes, besides those, you're right, the fourth metal gear solid was the only sequel mentioned for those two systems.
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I'm simply evaluating the individual consoles and what games are available specifically for them(or at the very least, initially available specifically for them).
same here.
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These may be games that are similar to other previously existing games(that's unavoidable), but they're the games that are getting the pub at E3, and they're unique in content.
i did not mean that, literally, all games coming out for ps3 and/or 360 are sequels. however, going through the displays and/or the lists on ign, its clear that many, if not most, are -- easily spotted with all the 2s, 3s, 4s (etc) in the titles.
does each system have some great games coming out that are unique? sure, i don't refute that.
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Meanwhile, the Wii is making noise with new controllers but the same game franchises.
again, a character or franchise's return is not what is at question here -- its the use and portayal.
its mario party incarnations versus mario's main game incarnations (world, sunshine, 64, galaxy). totally different worlds.
the "noise" coming from the controller is enormous for a reason -- its the very interface of the game. the whole way you play the game is new which makes every game new.
this is perhaps most notable with the "familiar" franchises, such as mario and zelda. the tennis game or red steel or the madden football game or one piece or elebits or a dozen other games may have even illustrated the new controllers and interface better, but attention goes to franchises, to help portray a better comparison for readers. i.e; "this isn't any mario you've played before"
i know many of you are anti-nintendo, but i wish you'd give the games a try before dismissing them.
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im assuming you meant besides virtua fighter 5, rainbow six: vegas, virtua tennis 3, madden 07, full auto 2, final fantasy 8, mercenaries 2, brothers in arms, gran turismo hd, and any other sequel on the list i didn't notice the first time through. but yes, besides those, you're right, the fourth metal gear solid was the only sequel mentioned for those two systems.
IGN's Best of PS3 list
IGN's Best of XBox 360 list
I missed the new LotR game, that's a sequel. And I guess if you want to count Virtual Tennis(I don't really consider sports game updates sequels, but that's semantics). Otherwise, new stuff.
Then there's the Wii list. Kind of a different story.
Now, I'm sure that the Wii has some new, original stuff, too. I'm also sure that a few of the games based on the old franchises won't be as awful as the last five dozen versions of Mario Party. I just find it interesting that you accuse everyone but Nintendo of developing very little in the way of original games when, to me, the opposite seems apparent.
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the "noise" coming from the controller is enormous for a reason -- its the very interface of the game. the whole way you play the game is new which makes every game new.
I completely disagree, and, infact, I find that its that precise line of thinking which continues to push me away from Nintendo.
Nintendo seems to expect me to believe that(for example) because I'm acting out a character shooting an arrow, rather than pressing a button to do it, the fact that only minute differences exist within the game itself is inconsequential. That's insulting, and, in my opinion, lame.
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i know many of you are anti-nintendo, but i wish you'd give the games a try before dismissing them.
You seemed to dismiss 360 and PS3 games altogether in your first post.
I may be somewhat "anti-nintendo", but only really to the extent that I feel that the 3D Mario/Zelda/Donkey Kong/etc was a novelty(a once-revolutionary novelty, but a novelty nonetheless) that wore out a half-decade ago, and has since surpassed tiresome and gone straight to nails-on-chalkboard levels of irritation. I have never passed on an interesting looking game with unique gameplay and original design simply because of a Nintendo brand on the cover. I bought a used Gamecube because I wanted to play Resident Evil 4, and I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I gave Eternal Darkness a try, and even though I was somewhat dissapointed, it was still enjoyable. There will probably be a Wii game that looks interesting to me and, given the right opportunity, I will probably find a way to play it. Of course, if recent history means anything, such games will probably be few and far between, dwarfed by a constant stream of "new" Mario games and super neato controllers. Hence, my preference of Microsoft and Sony over Nintendo.
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IGN's Best of PS3 list
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thank... you...?
why are you sending me these links again? i went through them, see above.
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I just find it interesting that you accuse everyone but Nintendo of developing very little in the way of original games when, to me, the opposite seems apparent.
nintendo had 27 playable wii games on the showfloor. the bigger names got the bigger attention, but every single game used the new control mechanics which makes the entire game new, even if the characters in them were not. its an extremely clear cut difference. it wasn't "mario part 3" it was "a whole new mario experience."
its comparable to the batman example i listed before -- batman comics, movies, and cartoons all have batman in them, but they're entirely different incarnations and experiences.
it was a concept i knew going in, but maybe really only undrestood once giving it a try. nintendo's "playing = believing" tagline says a lot in 2.5 words.
i don't really know how else to explain the experience.
though you feel it was a novelty, the experience of first playing 3d mario 64 or tomb raider was, to most gamers, amazing. liberating, freeing -- just unbelievable.
mario 64 was not the next "super mario world." goldeneye was not the new contra. wcw/nwo was not the new prowrestling. in retrospect, these are all amazingly clear cut and defined differences -- even if the same character (mario) happened to appear in more than one version.
the gameplay with wii is that type of eye-opening experience on steroids.
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the "noise" coming from the controller is enormous for a reason -- its the very interface of the game. the whole way you play the game is new which makes every game new.
I completely disagree
shouldn't that be hard to do without trying?
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Nintendo seems to expect me to believe that(for example) because I'm acting out a character shooting an arrow, rather than pressing a button to do it, the fact that only minute differences exist within the game itself is inconsequential. That's insulting, and, in my opinion, lame.
changing up the gameplay doesn't change up the gameplay ...?
its the entire interface, my friend. its not just "ok, its arrow shooting time" when you pull the bow and arrow ... its everything. every movement, every action. using a mouse versus using a gamepad versus using a stylus versus using a keyboard.
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You seemed to dismiss 360 and PS3 games altogether in your first post.
i've played both. and a lot of 360.
i've also studied up and read and gotten sneak peaks on them all. i'm a nintendo fan, but i'm also a gamer, and a high def buff -- i looked forward to 360 and ps3 amazing me
i'd rather at least see or try something before just giving up on it entirely.
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I have never passed on an interesting looking game with unique gameplay and original design simply because of a Nintendo brand on the cover.
but you find all wii games passable, despite never playing them, and finding nintendo's unique gameplay "insulting."
thats a shame.
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why are you sending me these links again?
I explained why in my post.
As Nowhereman aptly stated, everyone pumps their franchises. There are tons of Tom Clancy games(which I also find a little irritating), Final Fantasy chapters, etc. All the Mario and Zelda installments would be far more tolerable if Nintendo had as wide a selection of other games as the PS2 and XBox did/does.
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though you feel it was a novelty, the experience of first playing 3d mario 64 or tomb raider was, to most gamers, amazing. liberating, freeing -- just unbelievable.
I said it was revolutionary. I've said many times in the past and in this thread that I loved playing Mario 64. But that was years ago.
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the gameplay with wii is that type of eye-opening experience on steroids.
I really don't see how, but whatever.
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shouldn't that be hard to do without trying?
I'm not disagreeing with your personal assessment of the impact of the thing. If you really believe it's as big a quantum leap as the 64 bit console was...well, that's your opinion.
I'm disagreeing with what seems to be the thought process behind it, that a new controller equates a new game.
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i'd rather at least see or try something before just giving up on it entirely.
but you find all wii games passable, despite never playing them, and finding nintendo's unique gameplay "insulting."
Maybe this comment is directed at more than me, because I don't recall ever saying that I've given up on the Wii entirely, or that I found all their games "passable", or any near approximation of these things. I'll repeat myself: If there's a unique and interesting-looking game out there, and I have the opportunity to play it, I will. However, based on recent history(the last few years of the 64, the Gamecube era, now), it doesn't seem likely that many of those games will be coming out. The only game I saw mentioned in E3 coverage that might fit such criteria was Red Steel.
I already explained that it wasn't the gameplay I found insulting, but the thought process behind it.
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why are you sending me these links again?
I explained why in my post.
you mentioned the links initially to show sony and microsoft didn't have many direct sequels. i went through the lists and found about 10 sequels.
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All the Mario and Zelda installments would be far more tolerable if Nintendo had as wide a selection of other games as the PS2 and XBox did/does.
there were 25+ games on the wii floor. like i said, the bigger names got the attention to help point out the control differences to readers with something familiar.
in the reviews, themselves, ign points out how the games are new.
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I said it was revolutionary. I've said many times in the past and in this thread that I loved playing Mario 64. But that was years ago.
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the gameplay with wii is that type of eye-opening experience on steroids.
I really don't see how, but whatever.
thats exactly the point!
try the bloody thing before passing judgement!
i'm not trying to push my opinion on you or nowie or anyone. hell, its clear, from current sales numbers alone, that my gaming opinions aren't always (if ever) the majority.
and its not just my fanboy opinion here. microsoft and sony have made similar commentary, with their own spin of course, but supporting the innovation. the ign articles you link to, particularly the wii article (of course) delve into this a lot.
i'm just trying to shake up either one of your, or anyone's, unusually negative perception on the company, the games, the system (etc) -- particularly when they're eitehr inaccurate or untried.
if you're comment was simply "the previews don't impress me much, but i'll give it a whirl" i'd be fine with that.
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I don't recall ever saying that I've given up on the Wii entirely, or that I found all their games "passable", or any near approximation of these things.
i think calling the system/control/premise lame and insulting (?) might have lead me to those thoughts.
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it wasn't the gameplay I found insulting, but the thought process behind it.
the "thought process" being what -- that the controller and gameplay enhance/remake the game?
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