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Zombie plots new mayhem for "Halloween"
Rocker-turned-filmmaker Rob Zombie is resurrecting Michael Myers, one of the big screen's favorite horror villains.
Zombie will write and direct a new "Halloween" movie, serving up what is being called as a brand-new vision for the long-running horror series. He will also serve as a producer and a music supervisor on the film.
An October 2007 release is being planned. Disney's Miramax Films will co-finance the development with former Miramax chiefs Bob and Harvey Weinstein's Dimension Films.
The movie will not be a sequel or a straight-ahead remake of the 1978 original -- which helped director John Carpenter cement his name in the horror business -- but a reimagining that will infuse new blood into the Myers story.
"The look and the feel is going to be completely different," Zombie said in an interview. "'Halloween' started off as a very terrifying concept, a terrifying movie. But over the years, Michael Myers has become a friendly Halloween mask. When it came to the point where you could buy a Michael Myers doll that was cute-looking and press its stomach and play the 'Halloween' theme, you knew the scare factor was gone.
"But I think the story and the situation is scary. All it needed was someone to come in and to take a totally different approach to make it scary again. To me, that's the challenge and that's the fun."
Needless to say, the movie will not pay heed to the numerous sequels. The last Halloween film, "Halloween: H20," came out in 1998.
"Everything that has come before does not figure into this one," Zombie said. "That series is done."
And while Zombie aims to keep the scares and the character more real, the mask will remain.
"That's an iconic image that can't go away," he said.
Zombie wrote and directed "House of 1000 Corpses" and last year's "The Devil's Rejects," which proved to be extremely profitable theatrically and on DVD. A lot of horror movies have been thrown his way, but he wanted to be choosy when it came to his third film.
Zombie is a fan of the original and said he sought Carpenter's blessing.
"He said, 'That's awesome, go for it,"' Zombie said. "He was very supportive, which I thought was very important. I feel like 'Halloween' is his baby, and I wanted to be very respectful."
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Rob Zombie rocks! Love his work with White Zombie, and his solo efforts, too!
Hellbilly Deluxe is a fantastic album.
I'm sure the movie will be terrific.
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we'll see if they let him do it, or it becomes another another "Crow" type situation. With the success of his last two films, they might actually let him do what he wants to do.
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Rob Zombie grew as a director in leaps and bounds from House Of 1000 Corpses to Devil's Rejects. While House made a lot of the audience members giggle both times I saw it (once in a day viewing, once at a midnight viewing), Rejects was no laughing matter - we had five walkouts in the early part of the motel scene and another four people left at the end of said scene...even I was affected by it. With that in mind, I'd say that Rob Zombie is a great choice for a director of a Halloween re-imagining. But only under two conditions:
1) Rob continues his growth as a director. If he reverts back to the director he was for House (all homage, no personal stamp), then this movie will be no better than what I imagine the new Omen will be and what the Psycho plaigarism was - an unnecessary piece of crap. If, however, he uses the best parts of the Halloween series (those being found in 1 and 2 ONLY!!!) plus his own style and vision, then this movie could be an amazing film and the next step in his development as THE horror director of our time.
2) Disney and Dimension fuck off and leave Rob alone. Disney often puts too much stock in their name/brand and has a tendency to stifle creativity in favor of their own reputation. And don't get me started on the sins that Dimeson has committed. If these two studios can't avoid getting their fingers in the pot, this movie will suck as bad as the last...well, every movie after 2. If Disney and Dimension can just let Rob do his thing, they'll be rewarded for their trust.
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we'll see if they let him do it, or it becomes another another "Crow" type situation. With the success of his last two films, they might actually let him do what he wants to do.
They were a success?
I'm actually asking; I didn't know.
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Nice find! I'm completely stoked. Been a Carpenter's Halloween fan for as long as I can remember. I thought Coprses was a weak film glorified music video, but I really enjoyed Rejects and can respect Zombie as a growing filmmaker. Given the subject matter I cant fuckin wait to see what he's got cookin up.
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Rob Zombie grew as a director in leaps and bounds from House Of 1000 Corpses to Devil's Rejects. While House made a lot of the audience members giggle both times I saw it (once in a day viewing, once at a midnight viewing), Rejects was no laughing matter - we had five walkouts in the early part of the motel scene and another four people left at the end of said scene...even I was affected by it. With that in mind, I'd say that Rob Zombie is a great choice for a director of a Halloween re-imagining. But only under two conditions:
1) Rob continues his growth as a director. If he reverts back to the director he was for House (all homage, no personal stamp), then this movie will be no better than what I imagine the new Omen will be and what the Psycho plaigarism was - an unnecessary piece of crap. If, however, he uses the best parts of the Halloween series (those being found in 1 and 2 ONLY!!!) plus his own style and vision, then this movie could be an amazing film and the next step in his development as THE horror director of our time.
2) Disney and Dimension fuck off and leave Rob alone. Disney often puts too much stock in their name/brand and has a tendency to stifle creativity in favor of their own reputation. And don't get me started on the sins that Dimeson has committed. If these two studios can't avoid getting their fingers in the pot, this movie will suck as bad as the last...well, every movie after 2. If Disney and Dimension can just let Rob do his thing, they'll be rewarded for their trust.
Disney usually only does that when their name is directly linked to a movie......when a movie is under Miramax or their Hollywod Films division they let it alone almost 99% of the time. Tombstone was a Disney movie as so were countless others that people probably don't realize.
That said I hate horror movies so I probably won't be watching this.
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I'll probably see it, as I'm a big Rob Zombie fan.
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Nice find! I'm completely stoked. Been a Carpenter's Halloween fan for as long as I can remember. I thought Coprses was a weak film glorified music video, but I really enjoyed Rejects and can respect Zombie as a growing filmmaker. Given the subject matter I cant fuckin wait to see what he's got cookin up.
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yeah.
Do you say that because it made more than it cost, therefor technically a success?
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no, I say that because no matter what you think of the merits of either film, they generated a huge buzz which got people talking and interested in the films (Corpses especially had a tremendous buzz due to the delays in release) and firmly entrenched Zombie in the film world, as well as opening the door for other musicians to attempt to make similar transitions.
entertainment value not withstanding, in this sense they did their jobs and thus, are a success.
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So, you're of the "any publicity is good publicity" school?
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no, I say that because no matter what you think of the merits of either film, they generated a huge buzz which got people talking and interested in the films (Corpses especially had a tremendous buzz due to the delays in release) and firmly entrenched Zombie in the film world, as well as opening the door for other musicians to attempt to make similar transitions.
entertainment value not withstanding, in this sense they did their jobs and thus, are a success.
I'll agree with Grimm and go one step further:
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/HouseOf1000Corpses.php
Both of Rob Zombie's movies had $7 Million budgets.While neither had a blockbuster opening weekend, both had solid grosses, both domestically and worldwide.
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I'll agree with Grimm and go one step further:
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/HouseOf1000Corpses.php
Both of Rob Zombie's movies had $7 Million budgets.While neither had a blockbuster opening weekend, both had solid grosses, both domestically and worldwide.
I don't necessarily disagree with you or Grimm, but it would seem that by these same criteria, a movie like House of the Dead was also a success. It had buzz(for being a hilariously bad movie), it did land Uwe Boll several larger gigs, and much like 1000 Corpes it made a modest $10 million to its $7 million budget.
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I've decided that you are the anti-Pariah.
Flattered you'd think me as his opposite. . . perhaps insulted that I would even remotely remind you of 'im. .
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So, you're of the "any publicity is good publicity" school?
no, I'm of the "if it gets me better and higher paying gigs, then it's a success" school.
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I'll agree with Grimm and go one step further:
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/series/HouseOf1000Corpses.php
Both of Rob Zombie's movies had $7 Million budgets.While neither had a blockbuster opening weekend, both had solid grosses, both domestically and worldwide.
I don't necessarily disagree with you or Grimm, but it would seem that by these same criteria, a movie like House of the Dead was also a success. It had buzz(for being a hilariously bad movie), it did land Uwe Boll several larger gigs, and much like 1000 Corpes it made a modest $10 million to its $7 million budget.
certainly Uwe Boll would say so.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you or Grimm, but it would seem that by these same criteria, a movie like House of the Dead was also a success. It had buzz(for being a hilariously bad movie), it did land Uwe Boll several larger gigs, and much like 1000 Corpes it made a modest $10 million to its $7 million budget.
The difference being that, with two movies under his belt, Rob Zombie has a good-to-great reputation as a horror director and is poised to take over one of THE horror franchises. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, is a laughingstock doomed to make video game horror flicks and z-grade horror. And to sue the producers of his latest flop .
Zombie = Horror Director
Boll = Panderer To The Teenaged Crowd
There is a difference...
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Hey! I'm the anti-pariah!
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The difference being that, with two movies under his belt, Rob Zombie has a good-to-great reputation as a horror director and is poised to take over one of THE horror franchises. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, is a laughingstock doomed to make video game horror flicks and z-grade horror.
That's a difference between the directors' reputations today, not the movies' successes then.
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The difference being that, with two movies under his belt, Rob Zombie has a good-to-great reputation as a horror director and is poised to take over one of THE horror franchises. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, is a laughingstock doomed to make video game horror flicks and z-grade horror.
That's a difference between the directors' reputations today, not the movies' successes then.
But the reputation does play a role in future successes. Rob's been pretty steady in his monetary success, but his critical success has only improved. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, has seen his critical success (and financial success) go on the decline. Rob gets Halloween. Uwe gets crap. Rob is announced on a project and the reaction is mostly positive. Uwe is announced on a project and the response is overwhelmingly negative. Rob faces hardships with a movie (HO1KC) and responds calmly and maturely. Uwe's reaction to any negativity is to blame everyone (from the fans to his producers).
Which begs the question: Given the choice, who would you rather have helm your horror movie? Zombie or Uwe?
(Just so you know, I'm not criticizing you or arguing. I am enjoying the debate/discussion...)
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But the reputation does play a role in future successes.
Sure, but I was only debating the success of the individual films, not of future films. If you believe that 1000 Corpses was a success based on the criteria already discussed, then that should be the case regardless, even if Rob Zombie's Halloween bombs and he never makes another movie again. The same should apply to Boll.
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Which begs the question: Given the choice, who would you rather have helm your horror movie? Zombie or Uwe?
Zombie is clearly the best bet to make a quality flick, of those two. However, I'm very glad there are human trainwrecks like Uwe Boll in the world. Every once and a while I need a movie that's unintentionally hilarious to watch(not sober, of course).
Personally, I thought House of 1000 Corpses was terrible, and I say that as a fan of the horror genre and someone who owns every White/Rob Zombie CD(including the soundtrack to House of 1000 Corpses, which is actually quite good).
Devil's Rejects was an improvement, but I wasn't exactly big on it, either. I think Rob is a savant; not really an innovator, but very skilled at reproduction. In music that works for him. I'm not sure it does in film.
I am very curious to see what he does this franchise, though. The classic Halloween movies are a very different breed of horror than Zombie's past projects.
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However, I'm very glad there are human trainwrecks like Uwe Boll in the world. Every once and a while I need a movie that's unintentionally hilarious to watch(not sober, of course).
As much as I'd like to agree with you - Cannibal! The Musical (with commentary) is required drunken viewing in my house - I can't. I think the Uwe Bolls of the world are the reason why there's so much crap and lack-of-evolution in the horror genre. Horror movies for the most part (but it's safe to say that movies in general fit this) are geared towards the 13 - 17 crowd. And what better way to get their money than with unnecessary remakes and "horror" flicks based on video games? Watered down crap that does nothing to push film forward. Rob Zombie criticized the film industry for refusing to make films for adults (as opposed to "adult films"). Uwe Boll, with his willingness to pander to teenagers and generally make crap, is a great example of Zombie's critique. And it's one of the reasons I made it a point to see Rejects on opening day...
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Personally, I thought House of 1000 Corpses was terrible, and I say that as a fan of the horror genre and someone who owns every White/Rob Zombie CD(including the soundtrack to House of 1000 Corpses, which is actually quite good).
Devil's Rejects was an improvement, but I wasn't exactly big on it, either. I think Rob is a savant; not really an innovator, but very skilled at reproduction. In music that works for him. I'm not sure it does in film.
I agree. House was a huge disappointment. It wasn't scary. It wasn't shocking. It was boring and played out like one big music video. And this is coming from a person who loves horror and Zombie's music. Rejects, in my mind, was a vast improvement over House. It had the homages to his roots, but it also had its own sense of style and tension. While House wasn't much more than a "best of the 70s & 80s" compilation, Rejects was an evolution of a director.
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I am very curious to see what he does this franchise, though. The classic Halloween movies are a very different breed of horror than Zombie's past projects.
I'm actually optimistic for all the reasons people have mentioned. Rob's smart enough to know what parts of the Halloween franchise work and what don't and at the same time add the visual and stylistic touches that would make this film his own.
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I've stated it before, Rob learned a lot during the making of the films. You can see the improvements from House to Rejects, and I'm sure he'll get better.
One of the things that people forget is, House was his first film. The majority of film makers don't do too great their first time out. Same holds true here. With Rejects, you can clearly see the improvement in storytelling, and where Rob is starting to learn how to manipulate the audience. He works his homages into the story, rather than making the homages the story.
and Ani touches on the box office gates a lot in his arguments here, but that's really not the only measure of "success" to be considered here.
as I mentioned earlier, Rob's films have opened up a window of opportunity for both himself and for other musicians to make their own film projects. as well as being hugely influential on the current 70's retro trend in the industry. (70's horror came back in vogue after Corpses. It was pretty much dead before that)
I don't see Uwe Boll's films replicating either of those instances.
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I only mentioned the box offices numbers in response to Joe Mama's comment, actually. I'm really just trying to disect what makes a film a "success". I don't consider anything Boll has done to be successful, but by previously established criterion, that argument arises.
I also can't say I see House of 1000 Corpses as being the spark behind a retro trend, but perhaps I'm looking at it on a different level.
To touch on something Joe Mama mentioned...to me, Rob Zombie's films aren't really "adult". He may not pander to teens like Boll does, but that 70's style of filmmaking he takes after was certainly aimed at a similar age-group(or interest-group perhaps being the more apt term). I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I just think that an "adult" horror film is something like the Excorcist, the Shining, or the Wicker Man. Rob Zombie leans much more towards the H.G Lewis gorefests than those.
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First, Grimm's comments. I completely agree with you. I've said several times, here and in other threads (including my own review of Rejects) that Rob definitely learned from his mistakes and grew as a filmmaker. The difference between House and Rejects is like the different between a Corman flick like Attack Of The Crab Monsters and Masque Of The Red Death. And Rob made the adjustment with one movie. When Rejects came out I forced myself to put my fears regarding his directorial abilities aside (the pandering, bordering on plaigarism fears) and look at him as the guy who seemed to "get it" in his comments on Henry Rollins' IFC show. I was rewarded for my trust. Uwe Boll mistakes fad for art. By way of his thinking, people like horror movies and video games, so of COURSE they'll like his movies. What he fails (or refuses) to understand is that a movie needs style and craft to be art, or to even be a good movie. A director needs to draw performances from his cast and use his own creative eye to engage the viewer. Uwe Boll relied on the video game's name to be the draw, and his idea of craft is to use camera and special effects that were cliche by the time House Of The Dead rolled film. The result was a crapfest and the realization that Boll has no business near a film. Alone In The Dark was more poorly accepted, and Bloodrayne...well, you saw the news item. Rob is a director. An artist. Uwe Boll is a con man. For the record, I could give a shit less how many musicians go out and make movies, as long as those movies are GOOD. Onto Animalman's comments... In my mind, box office only matters to the studio in terms of success. To me, success comes when the director/creative team crafts a movie that somehow affects me and/or the audience to whom it is geared. Does the director have a vision that comes through in the finished product? Is that vision more than "make money"? In the case of Rejects, did Rob Zombie learn from his previous film and grow as a director? In my mind, yes. While House might as well have been background noise when I saw it, I could not ignore Rejects if I wanted to. House was "pretty" but empty; Rejects was dirty, visceral...and gorgeous. To me, House was NOT a success simply because it was a mishmash of images from the works of Craven, Hooper, and Argento (for the most part). Rejects saw Rob incorporate some themes and images from these directors, but Rejects was definitely Rob's movie (with those themes/images as "spice"). Rob vision and intentions are far more clear in Rejects. Thus, it is a success. Boll has no such vision. His whole style seems to be "Wow! That part of the game was cool! Let's put it in the movie!!!" While Rob was able to move away from that type of filmmaking, Boll has never even tried. Boll has no artistic vision. He wants to make a movie that is dumbed down to the audience. And he expects his audience to blindly accept that - no criticism of his so-called "craft" is valid. As a result, Boll's name is anathema to horror fans, while Rob's gives people hope. In terms of finances (and I hate to even mention this, but what the hell...), Rob's movies are pretty steady in their profit; Boll's box office steadily declined. Again, money doesn't mean much to me, but isn't it telling that Rob gained critical acclaim and steady box office, while Boll received nothing but harsher derision and plummetting box office? I'd say the fans spoke pretty clearly. I have to disagree with your point on Rob as "film director geared towards adults". Rob and Boll made horror movies - that's the extent of comparison that I'd make. Boll aimed squarely at the teen market; Rob aimed higher and targetted the 20+ - 40+ horror fan. And, while Rob has not achieved the level of art that Friedkin, Kubrick, or Robin Hardy (Wicker Man...good choice!!!) achieved, I'd say he's on the path. House definitely leaned towards the HG Lewis school of gore (though I'd be a bit more forgiving). But Rejects showed glimpses of Craven (of whom I'm not a fan, but do concede that he's made some good films), Arthur Penn, and Peckinpah. There's no reason to doubt, given time, that Rob could blossom into an influencial director in his own right.
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Interesting that you mention Dario Argento. I could definitely see some of him in Rob Zombie; in both his wildly imaginative and visceral cinematography, and near total disregard for structural consistency and plot. Both men are also very talented musically(as is John Carpenter).
Of course, I think Argento's work is much better...
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Interesting that you mention Dario Argento, because I was just taking a shit and when I looked at the turd floating in the piss it reminded of "Suspiria".
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Uschi said:I won't rape you, I'll just fuck you 'till it hurts and then not stop and you'll cry. MisterJLA: RACKS so hard, he called Jim Rome "Chris Everett." In Him, all porn is possible. He is far above mentions in so-called "blogs." RACK him, lest ye be lost! "I can't even brush my teeth without gagging!" - Tommy Tantillo: Wank & Cry, heckpuppy, and general laughingstock
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Nice find! I'm completely stoked. Been a Carpenter's Halloween fan for as long as I can remember. I thought Coprses was a weak film glorified music video, but I really enjoyed Rejects and can respect Zombie as a growing filmmaker. Given the subject matter I cant fuckin wait to see what he's got cookin up.
I've decided that you are the anti-Pariah.
What's that mean? I liked both of Zombie's movies. I might like this one too....Although, I do have my doubts seeing as how much life as been sucked out of Halloween.
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Interesting that you mention Dario Argento, because I was just taking a shit and when I looked at the turd floating in the piss it reminded of "Suspiria".
A lot of blood?
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I did feel like my eyes were bleeding when I watched that movie, yes.
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