RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events WMDs FOUND!!!!

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whomod said:
...seeing as how the 1st reply I get from G-Man is a joke about Gitmo, I know why I stay away. Having a gulag out of the reach of any laws is not funny. It's shameful. It diminshes us and what we claim to represent. That he can find this as a source of amusement is disgusting to me.

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This is no small matter. It is not--as a few self-proclaimed experts have declared--a spat over ancient history. It involves life and death for American soldiers on the battlefield, and it involves the ability of the American people to evaluate the actions of their government, and thus to render an objective judgment. The people must have the whole picture, not just a shard of reality dished up by politicized intelligence officers.

Information is a potent weapon in the current war. Al Qaeda uses the Internet very effectively and uses the media as a terrorist tool. If the American public can be deceived by people who withhold basic information, we risk losing the war at home, even if we win it on the battlefield. The debate should focus on the basic question--what, exactly, we need to do to succeed both here and in Iraq. We are dismayed to have learned how many people in our own government are trying to distort that debate.

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the G-man said:
We are dismayed to have learned how many people in our own government are trying to distort that debate.[/LIST]

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First Amongst Daves said:

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Captain Sammitch said:

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First Amongst Daves said:
Such is the nature of fanatical partisanship, where hope for a righteous justification defies even the inevitable logical conclusion reached by their political [candidates]: faithful to a lost cause, still snarling, and blind to reason.

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I couldn't have said it better myself.

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But you couldn't, and never quite have been able to, have you Phil?

Always the follower, and never quite on the front line of debate. Being a cheerleader might make you popular with the boys, but it doesn't mean you're in the game and taking the hits.

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whomod said:
Well, I've been fine but i'm not staying.

I was surfing the net the other day and decided to look around here a bit. I saw this bit of comedy here and felt strangely compelled to respond.

Now seeing as how the 1st reply I get from G-Man is a joke about Gitmo, I know why I stay away. Having a gulag out of the reach of any laws is not funny. It's shameful. It diminshes us and what we claim to represent. That he can find this as a source of amusement is disgusting to me.

As for this story, it puts into stark contrast just where G-Man is coming from. Getting this story debunked hard, first from the Defense Dept and then David Kay on NBC and CBS is not enough for him. He'll run with this story looking for every loophole he can. Now I can stay here and argue with him. But what would be the point? When you argue with crazy people, you sort of lend legitamacy to them.

Now what really inspired me to post yersterday was Dave's last comment. Amen. Hopefully more people besides Ray, MEM, and Dave will step up and deal with this blowhard. I've wallowed in his pig shit for too long with the likes of Sammitch, and WBAM blindly cheering him on. It's refreshing not to do it any longer.

Kay's comments in this video: (can't find a trsanscript)

(Pre-War intel in general (office of Special Plans)

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Are these weapons old and inert? The Pentagon unit warns, “While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.”

“Iraq was not a WMD-free zone,” said House Intelligence chairman Peter Hoekstra (R., Mich.). “Weapons have been discovered. More weapons exist.” Hoekstra and Senator Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) have pressured the administration to detail its WMD findings.

What if terrorists acquired a few of these shells? “You’re not talking about transferring hundreds to make an impact in New York, in a subway, or anything like that,” Hoekstra told reporters June 21. “One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country can be very, very deadly.”

Here and there, other potentially deadly things have emerged from Iraq’s sands.

Former weapons inspector David Kay declared on October 2, 2003 that U.S. personnel discovered “a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced.” This was, Kay said, “hidden in the home” of an Iraqi biological weapons researcher.

In January 2004, according to a New York Sun editorial published that June 1, a 7-pound block of cyanide salt popped up in Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s Baghdad safe house. On May 2, 2004, U.S. forces in Iraq found a mustard-gas shell, rigged as an Improvised Explosive Device. The ISG dismissed this as “ineffective” due to improper storage. Of course, the effectiveness of Hussein’s weapons was not the issue. He was supposed to prove they had been destroyed or open his facilities for inspection. Instead, Hussein failed to account for 550 mustard-gas projectiles. This may have been among them.

“The Iraqi Survey Group confirmed today that a 155-millimeter artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found,” also reworked as an IED, Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt told reporters that May 15. Two soldiers exposed to the device “displayed ‘classic’ symptoms of sarin exposure, most notably dilated pupils and nausea,” Fox News reported. Officials also told the network that the shell contained three to four liters of sarin, roughly three-quarters of a gallon.

Weapons sleuth Charles Duelfer told Fox News June 24, 2004: “We found, you know, 10 or 12 sarin and mustard rounds.”

That July 6, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) announced that a joint effort with the Pentagon removed 1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium from Iraq “that could potentially be used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program,” said a DOE statement. Those 3,894 pounds of uranium were in “powdered form, which is easily dispersed,” DOE spokesman Bryan Wilkes told Hudson Institute adjunct fellow Richard Miniter, author of Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror. As Miniter concludes: “The material would have been ideal for a radioactive dirty bomb.”

So, Americans in Iraq have found 500 sarin- and mustard-gas-filled artillery shells, live botulinum toxin, cyanide salt, and nearly two tons of uranium. Yet, no, Virginia, there were no WMDs in Iraq.

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Are these weapons old and inert? The Pentagon unit warns, “While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.”

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What if terrorists acquired a few of these shells? “You’re not talking about transferring hundreds to make an impact in New York, in a subway, or anything like that,” Hoekstra told reporters June 21. “One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country can be very, very deadly.”

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3,894 pounds of uranium were in “powdered form, which is easily dispersed...The material would have been ideal for a radioactive dirty bomb.”

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Are these weapons old and inert? The Pentagon unit warns, “While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal.”

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What if terrorists acquired a few of these shells? “You’re not talking about transferring hundreds to make an impact in New York, in a subway, or anything like that,” Hoekstra told reporters June 21. “One or two of these shells, the materials inside of these, transferred outside of the country can be very, very deadly.”

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3,894 pounds of uranium were in “powdered form, which is easily dispersed...The material would have been ideal for a radioactive dirty bomb.”

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r3x29yz4a said:
so all this stuff was really old. ...its all a bunch of could be and might be shit.

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Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war....in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq's secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. . . .

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein's scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.