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Well, it's better than STILL talking about Superman Returns. I've never seen a bigger deal made about a more mediocre movie.
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You're dead to me... 
Well, you know all about people being dead, don't you? Just ask Drake Marshall. Oh, right, you can't because YOU KILLED HIM!  
yeah, but supposedly he left a loophole for Drake to be brought back. . .
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Just watched it.
What I didn't like:
- The acting of the kid annoyed me. His voice, mostly.
- Lois bothered me too. Not because she didn't act well, but because she's so different from Margot Kidder's interpretation. Everyone else plays the Donner version of the characters (of course they should: it's a sequel), so her character feels out of place. She did a decent job portraying Lois Lane, it's just not the Lois I like.
- Jimmy, on the opposite, was too much like the Donner version. That kind of personality doesn't work very well anymore. This is the 40's version of the character. It barely worked in the 70's, and it doesn't work at all now.
- Perry didn't stand out much, but I actually liked that. I can't stand the way they try to give relevance to Perry in the comics. He's just their boss, not their father or their best friend.
- I was expecting a resolution of some sort for Richard's plot. In fact, I just assumed he would be dealt with. At one point, I thought "Fuck, they're gonna kill him and end it at that." But instead, it didn't end. The scene with Superman and the kid was extremely nice, but I wanted something more earth-shaking for the end... like, Lois admitting she knows Clark is Superman and leaving Richard for him. OR deciding to stay with Richard, whatever, as long as something happens there.
- Also, I love the idea of the kid, but he's basically a non-character in this movie. There's a lot of potential there they didn't use. If they simply didn't have space to develop him (and that's understandable), they should have just made him even younger and therefore unable to think or say much. Problem solved.
- Clark: I hoped Clark's relationship with Lois would go somewhere. I don't have a big problem with Clark being downplayed, given that in this version he's an act, but I kinda hoped they'd turn the classic triangle on its feet. As I said before, I wish Lois would have admitted she knows Superman is Clark. Watching Superman II last week and thinking about how silly the super-memory-erasing kiss is, I thought: "what if it didn't really erase her memory? what if she did that herself as a way to protect her mind?" Watching Lois accept the truth and deal with it would make a powerful scene. I thought this might happen when I noticed that she never mentioned the fact that both Clark and Superman left for five years at the exact same time. It's believable that the rest of the people in the Daily Planet wouldn't notice, because Clark's a nobody, but Lois has a relationship with both characters! "A-ha," I thought, "she's just lying to herself to hide from the truth!" But nope, it looks like she's just dumb.
What I liked:
- Everything else. Fucking amazing movie. The best Superman movie so far, in my opinion.
Oh, so it didn't do well? Well, consider this: The DaVinci Code did well. Case closed.
Let's not forget that the Donner films are incredibly flawed. Turning back the rotation of the planet? Memory erasing kiss? Lex's silly schemes? OTIS?! Superman II has a very loose plot. None of this stops those movies from being classics. The same goes for Superman Returns. In the hypothetical case that there are no more sequels (or that they suck), I think in 20 years Superman Returns will be seen as the definitive Superman movie. Most of the stuff people complain about here won't matter by then. How much it sold will be a piece of trivia.
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Just watched it.
What I didn't like:
- The acting of the kid annoyed me. His voice, mostly.
- Lois bothered me too. Not because she didn't act well, but because she's so different from Margot Kidder's interpretation. Everyone else plays the Donner version of the characters (of course they should: it's a sequel), so her character feels out of place. She did a decent job portraying Lois Lane, it's just not the Lois I like.
- Jimmy, on the opposite, was too much like the Donner version. That kind of personality doesn't work very well anymore. This is the 40's version of the character. It barely worked in the 70's, and it doesn't work at all now.
- Perry didn't stand out much, but I actually liked that. I can't stand the way they try to give relevance to Perry in the comics. He's just their boss, not their father or their best friend.
- I was expecting a resolution of some sort for Richard's plot. In fact, I just assumed he would be dealt with. At one point, I thought "Fuck, they're gonna kill him and end it at that." But instead, it didn't end. The scene with Superman and the kid was extremely nice, but I wanted something more earth-shaking for the end... like, Lois admitting she knows Clark is Superman and leaving Richard for him. OR deciding to stay with Richard, whatever, as long as something happens there.
- Also, I love the idea of the kid, but he's basically a non-character in this movie. There's a lot of potential there they didn't use. If they simply didn't have space to develop him (and that's understandable), they should have just made him even younger and therefore unable to think or say much. Problem solved.
- Clark: I hoped Clark's relationship with Lois would go somewhere. I don't have a big problem with Clark being downplayed, given that in this version he's an act, but I kinda hoped they'd turn the classic triangle on its feet. As I said before, I wish Lois would have admitted she knows Superman is Clark. Watching Superman II last week and thinking about how silly the super-memory-erasing kiss is, I thought: "what if it didn't really erase her memory? what if she did that herself as a way to protect her mind?" Watching Lois accept the truth and deal with it would make a powerful scene. I thought this might happen when I noticed that she never mentioned the fact that both Clark and Superman left for five years at the exact same time. It's believable that the rest of the people in the Daily Planet wouldn't notice, because Clark's a nobody, but Lois has a relationship with both characters! "A-ha," I thought, "she's just lying to herself to hide from the truth!" But nope, it looks like she's just dumb.
What I liked:
- Everything else. Fucking amazing movie. The best Superman movie so far, in my opinion.
Oh, so it didn't do well? Well, consider this: The DaVinci Code did well. Case closed.
Let's not forget that the Donner films are incredibly flawed. Turning back the rotation of the planet? Memory erasing kiss? Lex's silly schemes? OTIS?! Superman II has a very loose plot. None of this stops those movies from being classics. The same goes for Superman Returns. In the hypothetical case that there are no more sequels (or that they suck), I think in 20 years Superman Returns will be seen as the definitive Superman movie. Most of the stuff people complain about here won't matter by then. How much it sold will be a piece of trivia.
And no matter what the naysayers say it still will be a profitable film.
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Let's not forget that the Donner films are incredibly flawed. Turning back the rotation of the planet?
Actually, its my understanding he didn't turn back the rotation of the planet.
He flew around the planet at superspeed until he broke the time barrier and went back in time. It simply LOOKED like the planet was turning backwards because of perspective.
It was less a bad plot point and more a bad special effect.
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I actually think (but admit I could be wrong) that those points are from Richard Lester, who took over directing after the Salkynds fired Donner because he wouldn't put more comedy and fantasy in the second movie.
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Actually, its my understanding he didn't turn back the rotation of the planet.
Yes from what I gather it was a movie, and you are talking out of your ass again.
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Actually, its my understanding he didn't turn back the rotation of the planet.
He flew around the planet at superspeed until he broke the time barrier and went back in time. It simply LOOKED like the planet was turning backwards because of perspective.
The screenplay called for Superman to break the time barrier. The movie was unable to convey that, either because they couldn't or because they didn't want to. If it's not in the movie, it doesn't exist.
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I actually think (but admit I could be wrong) that those points are from Richard Lester, who took over directing after the Salkynds fired Donner because he wouldn't put more comedy and fantasy in the second movie.
We'll have to wait for the Donner re-cut and see. I doubt the plot can be improved much, though... it's very average. It's the dramatic moments and the awesome characters what makes that movie a classic.
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From the Newsrama article about Donner writing Action Comics: Quote:
As for the story, Singer said that while Superman Returns allowed him to introduce the cast, the sequel would allow him to, “Go Wrath of Khan on it."
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AOL TV had the "Look, Up in the Sky" Superman documentary, but the bastards took it off the site.
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As for the story, Singer said that while Superman Returns allowed him to introduce the cast, the sequel would allow him to, “Go Wrath of Khan on it."
Does this mean that Superman 3 will be called " Superman 3 : The Search For Lois." ?
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Does this mean that Superman 3 will be called " Superman 3 : The Search For Lois." ?
....if we're lucky....
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I just saw Superman Returns!
Fucking AWESOME movie!
long story short, I liked it!
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I've only seen it once, I have to see it again when it comes to the cheap theaters.
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From Superman Homepage: Kate Bosworth (who played Lois Lane in "Superman Returns") spoke with SKY News reporter Neal Sean and revealed that "Lois will be back bigger and better in the next movie, and with more of her own storyline".
The SKY News article also speculates on plans for a Lois Lane spin-off movie. No way, Bosworth would not be able to hold her own in a spinoff. It'd be impossible to do one without Superman being involved.
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From Superman Homepage:
Kate Bosworth (who played Lois Lane in "Superman Returns") spoke with SKY News reporter Neal Sean and revealed that "Lois will be back bigger and better in the next movie, and with more of her own storyline".
The SKY News article also speculates on plans for a Lois Lane spin-off movie.
No way, Bosworth would not be able to hold her own in a spinoff. It'd be impossible to do one without Superman being involved.
she'll have swallowed a load of his cum in the opening scene so he would be "with" her for most of the movie.
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"Lois will be back bigger and better in the next movie,
Does that mean she gonna start holding down her food?
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Will Superman turn japanese?
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Will Superman turn japanese?
I really think so.
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Just saw it last night. It pretty much met my low expectations.
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It ought to make it to dvd fairly soon..and I won't be buying it.
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Just saw it last night. It pretty much met my low expectations.
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Just saw it last night. It pretty much met my low expectations.
He's black...wasn't nobody poppin' nobody in the film.
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It ought to make it to dvd fairly soon..and I won't be buying it.
Why must you be so negative all the time, Beardguy?
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Just saw it last night. It pretty much met my low expectations.
He's black...wasn't nobody poppin' nobody in the film.
i liked it even though nobody was poppin nobody...
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I know I know, there's already a thread about the movie. Well that one was about the trailer(s) and the production of the film. Now it's in theaters. I'm seeing it Wednesday night. I'll post my thoughts on it after I see it.
Spoilers later.
I thought it sucked.
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I know I know, there's already a thread about the movie. Well that one was about the trailer(s) and the production of the film. Now it's in theaters. I'm seeing it Wednesday night. I'll post my thoughts on it after I see it.
Spoilers later.
I thought it sucked.
the lord has spoken....
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I know I know, there's already a thread about the movie. Well that one was about the trailer(s) and the production of the film. Now it's in theaters. I'm seeing it Wednesday night. I'll post my thoughts on it after I see it.
Spoilers later.
I thought it sucked.
the lord has spoken....
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I know I know, there's already a thread about the movie. Well that one was about the trailer(s) and the production of the film. Now it's in theaters. I'm seeing it Wednesday night. I'll post my thoughts on it after I see it.
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I thought it sucked.
What about Jeff Glacier Returns, a Paulie Mandral film?
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What about Jeff Glacier Returns, a Paulie Mandral film?
That will never get old.
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Internet rumors abound. http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070319_exclusive_superman_wont_go_it.htmlQuote:
After the slightly (I say only slightly, because the film was still profitable) disappointing returns on “Superman Returns”, Warner were in two minds about whether to continue the series or not – right away, anyway. One idea that came up was to make their long-planned “Justice League” movie, and possibly just incorporate ‘Superman’ into that.
Cut to a month or so ago, and the trades announce that the studio is in the early stages of developing a “Justice League” movie.
Interestingly enough, a couple of weeks later, those some publications announce that the next “Superman” sequel could be delayed- because director Bryan Singer has gone and got himself involved in another film; a thriller for United Artists.
Interesting hey? Well, the plot thickens, I heard from a pretty reliable source this weekend – who, has some top contacts himself – who essentially confirmed that the WB are thinking of putting the next “Superman” movie into turnaround, and instead will just use the character in the new “Justice League” movie. (Funnily enough, Batman would not be involved in the new film – he’s too big to waste on a film like this, apparently).
Having now heard the same from about half-a-dozen reliable insiders, I checked in with a couple of sources near the Water Tower itself, who wouldn’t confirm nor deny the reports, but definitely haven’t dismissed that it’s a possibility. One of them would only say that there “could be something in [that]”.
I guess if it is true – and again, this is far from confirmation; and these rumours suggest that the idea is still just that… an idea – it doesn’t necessarily mean that a “Superman” sequel will be abandoned for good. Its probably just a way to get ‘more folks’ into seeing the next Superman movie – because he’ll be surrounded by other superheroes. Then, if that’s a monster hit, they might do a “Superman Returns” sequel.
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