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Animalman said:
I didn't know you went to the rex school of argumentation.

I'm not a Notre Dame fan. Infact, I believe I mentioned in this very thread that I dislike them. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Weiss, either. I respect what he's done with the Irish so far, but I don't think he's the best coach in college football or anything.

Now, if you're saying I'm whiney for pointing out the flaw in your argument, then I guess I'll have to accept that label. Either way, one game does not prove Tressel has the better overall coaching record, especially when you consider the circumstances under which that one game was played. If it did, then you would have to concede that Barry Alvarez trumps them both, and I'm betting you're not willing to do that.



The flaw in your argument is that you see Weis' role as an ASSITANT coach in the NFL as superior to Tress' record as HEAD COACH in college.

Why don't you call Charlie and ask him which is better--to be an assistant coach on a Super Bowl champion or a head coach in Div. 1-A college? Nah. You don't need to call and ask him--Chuck's behavior answers the question for you: HE thinks it's better to be the head coach in college than an assistant in the NFL because he *chose* to leave his assistant's job in the NFL and become a head coach in college.

Whether you're a fan of Weis is irrelevant considering that you still wish to pursue this argument.

Regarding who's the better coach? The jury's still out on Weis (which I believe I have already pointed out when I say "let's see him win a few"). But as far as evaluating Weis and Tress, the best measure of that is their record against each other AND as coaches who have been on championship teams, and right now, it's 1-0 in favor of Tress.

If you absurdly want to bring Alvarez into this, please be sure you let me know how many national championships he's won. I'd make the same argument if you brought Lloyd Carr into this. Carr and Tress both have national championships (though Tress didn't have to share his with anybody), so ok, we go to their head-to-head record, and it's Tress 4, Carr 1.

Hey, let's go ahead and bring Joe Pa into this too. Historically speaking, Joe's the better coach than Tress. Joe's got 2 national titles, so that kind of ends the discussion.

I'm not hanging on to Tress blindly. I think he's a very good coach. Maybe in January Weis will have a chance to even up his record against Tress.

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