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I completely agree with the above and want to flesh it out a litte. What our adminstration fails to realize, despite their own masterful use of PR and spin, is that the "War of Terror" is a war of ideas not a conventional war.



That is so stupid.


no, its not. Terrorist groups are essentially a few crazy leaders followed by people who truly believe that this is the only way.
We must sell peace and democracy through building bridges and settling feuds.
The dictators can't thrive if their people truly want change. Right now, America is just a big bad coming in and blowing up people. That encourages terrorism as every person we kill has a family member looking for guidance and understanding.

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Obviously you and r3x have never heard the phrase, "Intimidate those who intimidate others."


Obviously you never heard of any of the many many phrases from Jesus about peace and love. No, you go for vengeance over justice.
This is a fragile time. Anything of value to America's ideals must be preserved. That's how we win, not by poisoning our national soul with betrayed morality.
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When we start suicide bombing buildings with mass amounts of civilians *cough*9/11*cough* then I'll start listening to your knee-jerk Nietzschien lectures. Right now, however, we had the ability to take out 190 enemy officers. Killing them would mean not giving them the chance to kill more Americans or even American allies in the middle east.


If it was a Catholic funeral with IRA members?

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Neither of you know the definition of war or even understand the mechanics of the morality it follows. So stop trying to tell everyone that you do with ad hominem like, "If we act with the level of morality that the terrorists do, then the terrorists win." What if we weren't fighting terrorists? What if this wasn't good vs. evil and rather a legitimate disagreement of principles in which there was no other choice but to fight (see also: Civil War)? Would you then be saying, 'Don't stoop to the lows of our enemies'?


I would only side with the group that believes in morality. I'd rather kill myself then become a monster to stop monsters. America has a fucked up history with lots of blood. The only good thing, the thing that truly strengthens our roots, is the founding father's ideals of a better world and of a free world with people being able to govern themselves. And thankfully this fucked up species that has poisoned and raped the world has enough decency in it to leave a glimmer of hope for a better tomorrow.
Those ideals, those principles, those ethics, those morals, that simple idea that right doesn't do wrong to beat wrong is the only thing that makes this world worth living.
So yeah if we have to miss an opportunity because we won't bomb a funeral. I have no problem.
And FYI, the Taliban only became "evil" in our eyes after they rejected an oil pipeline plan. And the Taliban kept Opium out of Afghanistan, which is now rapant. Until we can offer a solid solution, we have no right to talk.
Get out of mommy's basement, Maxwell. Don't just read some sociological book on the history of war. Try meeting people, seeing people, living in the world, and understanding people.
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The satire here is how much r3x is talking out both ends; saying that we should embrace our Muslim brothers whilst at the same time not become like them.


Muslim is not the same as terrorist. As much as David Koresh is not the same as all christians.

Bow ties are coool.