It was okay. The evil dad of the cheerleader was telegraphed, but I was surprised by the end twist with the two brothers. So far, the Japanese guy, Hiro (Super Hiro - I thought that was pretty funny) and the cheerleader seem to be the most interesting characters due, I think, to her youthful struggle with her power and his comic book geekiness and excitement. The web cam chick with the mirror universe doppleganger seems to have the best potential as far as unusual power. I'll give it a few more episodes to see if it can grow legs and run.
Quote: Prometheus said: And, don't tell me tv can't do it right. LOST nailed it with perfection with its pilot. So did 4400's and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA's respective miniseries. Some say "24" did, as well (I don't know...never watched it). So, why accept things like SMALLVILLE and this HEROES because it "might" get better? Is it because it has some passing glance at a genre we enjoy (in this case, comic books)? Don't you find such an obvious half-ass attempt at playing on your affection for a genre somewhat, you know, insulting?
Is this the same Smallville that you used to wank to on a weekly basis for, like, three years?
Seriously, though, I do think that shows should be given chances to change and grow. If not, Star Trek: The Next Generation would've never made it past the first season. Remember, it took three seasons for it and Deep Space Nine to finally find what works and use it. A show should be measured on its potential, which I believe Heroes has. Any character, concept, or actor that isn't working can easily be written out and/or replaced. A lot of good TV took time to develop. Battlestar may have started out strong, but it also wobbled a bit in places in the second season.
Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Quote: Pig Iron said: Atleast this is a breathe of fresh air in an endless wave of doctor, lawyer and cop dramas.
Greatest. Doctor Drama. Ever!
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Quote: thedoctor said: Seriously, though, I do think that shows should be given chances to change and grow. If not, Star Trek: The Next Generation would've never made it past the first season.
Quote: King Snarf said: Uh-huh. "What's your excuse for this show" doesn't AT ALL sound judgmental, thereby causing someone to get defensive. If you'd like me to go in-depth as to why I liked it, aside from the end plot twist that I'd mentioned already, then I'd be glad too. I didn't see the point in doing so, as you had already clearly made up your mind. It's for the same reason I don't challenge your dislike of Joss Whedon. You don't care for his work, I do, and no amount of debate on either side will change that.
Hey, if you cannot discuss your enjoyment of subpar material without getting all defensive, then, just forget. Come back when you're off the rag...
Quote: Brad Lee said: I thought it was boring and had too many characters to follow. And there are more characters next week. And it's boring. I'll probably be flipping to it in the hopes of catching something interesting, but that's only because there is nothing else on Monday nights.
Quote: thedoctor said: The evil dad of the cheerleader was telegraphed
Incredibly.
Quote: So far, the Japanese guy, Hiro (Super Hiro - I thought that was pretty funny) and the cheerleader seem to be the most interesting characters due, I think, to her youthful struggle with her power and his comic book geekiness and excitement.
Loved SuperHiro. The cheerleader got goofy, quick. She runs into a fire to test her abilities. Yet, when we see her in there, she's just standing around in a clear area that's not on fire.
Quote: The web cam chick with the mirror universe doppleganger seems to have the best potential as far as unusual power. I'll give it a few more episodes to see if it can grow legs and run.
Whereas, I couldn't wait for her scenes to get over with and move on. Cliche and boring.
Quote: Is this the same Smallville that you used to wank to on a weekly basis for, like, three years?
Sweetheart, I never said I didn't watch Smallville. I cite it as the example that taught me my lesson on this tripe they try and feed us. Also, I would have no room to cite it, or talk, if I hadn't watched it. And, just so we're clear, I only watched the first two years. That was when I was certain the teen-angst and the horrible acting of Lana wasn't going to change.
Quote: Seriously, though, I do think that shows should be given chances to change and grow. If not, Star Trek: The Next Generation would've never made it past the first season. Remember, it took three seasons for it and Deep Space Nine to finally find what works and use it. A show should be measured on its potential, which I believe Heroes has. Any character, concept, or actor that isn't working can easily be written out and/or replaced. A lot of good TV took time to develop.
I'm not saying there isn't precedence for such a thing. However, I failed to see this "potential" you guys are citing. Why watch this lukewarm amalgam, when I can go directly to the source and enjoy The 4400 or LOST? No, this is NBC desperately trying to wedge itself into a niche that grew popular elsewhere. They are, as usual, three years late to the party.
Quote: Battlestar may have started out strong, but it also wobbled a bit in places in the second season.
A matter of perspective. I have found no real fault with Galactica since it debuted. And the weakest of its episodes outshines most everything else on television, hands down.
Quote: Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
I honestly know you're joking, and I honestly want to laugh. But, I don't get it. How would I want to write anything like that?
Quote: Prometheus said: Loved SuperHiro. The cheerleader got goofy, quick. She runs into a fire to test her abilities. Yet, when we see her in there, she's just standing around in a clear area that's not on fire.
Definitely a problem with post-production. Couldn't really throw the chick into a real fire and try and film it. I don't think she's test her powers as much as it is not giving a fuck anymore. She apparently doesn't feel pain either, which is why she can just do whatever and never worry about the consequences.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: The web cam chick with the mirror universe doppleganger seems to have the best potential as far as unusual power. I'll give it a few more episodes to see if it can grow legs and run.
Whereas, I couldn't wait for her scenes to get over with and move on. Cliche and boring.
The character is shit. The power is interesting.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: Is this the same Smallville that you used to wank to on a weekly basis for, like, three years?
Sweetheart, I never said I didn't watch Smallville. I cite it as the example that taught me my lesson on this tripe they try and feed us. Also, I would have no room to cite it, or talk, if I hadn't watched it. And, just so we're clear, I only watched the first two years. That was when I was certain the teen-angst and the horrible acting of Lana wasn't going to change.
I remember you being very excited about it. Maybe YOU should be the one defending your sense of taste out here.
Quote: Prometheus said: I'm not saying there isn't precedence for such a thing. However, I failed to see this "potential" you guys are citing. Why watch this lukewarm amalgam, when I can go directly to the source and enjoy The 4400 or LOST? No, this is NBC desperately trying to wedge itself into a niche that grew popular elsewhere. They are, as usual, three years late to the party.
Quote: Battlestar may have started out strong, but it also wobbled a bit in places in the second season.
A matter of perspective. I have found no real fault with Galactica since it debuted. And the weakest of its episodes outshines most everything else on television, hands down.
Isn't the main complaint amongst Lost fans (yourself included) that the second season isn't as interesting or compelling as the first. Maybe getting it right off the bat means a faster burnout for the show. That's what I'm thinking is getting ready to happen to Battlestar. They're doing too much too quickly. With Heroes I see a concept as good as almost any I've seen in comics, but it's on the TeeVee. I'm willing to see how it translates.
And, honestly, NBC experimented with this kind of story-telling last year with Surface. Instead of several different people dealing with the emergence of strange, prehistoric underwater creatures, they're dealing with superpowers. This is also more cross-breeding within the company since USA, Sci-Fi, and NBC are all owned by the same parent company and have been in the habit of airing one another's programing for the past several years including a 4400 special and the Battlestar mini on NBC.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
I honestly know you're joking, and I honestly want to laugh. But, I don't get it. How would I want to write anything like that?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Quote: thedoctor said: I remember you being very excited about it. Maybe YOU should be the one defending your sense of taste out here.
Hey, like I always said....the pilot, and most of the first year was good stuff. And, back then, I was more willing to be like Snarf and give shit a chance to morph into gold. No excuses here. However, I still learned to recognize how television loves to shovel subpar media at us. Not to mention, the inclusion of HE WHOSE NAME SHALL NOT BE SPOKEN in the credits. Which, of course, leads to the next example...
Quote: Isn't the main complaint amongst Lost fans (yourself included) that the second season isn't as interesting or compelling as the first. Maybe getting it right off the bat means a faster burnout for the show. That's what I'm thinking is getting ready to happen to Battlestar. They're doing too much too quickly. With Heroes I see a concept as good as almost any I've seen in comics, but it's on the TeeVee. I'm willing to see how it translates.
The reason LOST wobbled in the second season is an apparent and noted phenomenon that causes all shows to sink.....Jeph Loeb. Once Loeb joins any show, it generally gets sick. That's a fact, jack. One that I'm certain you recognize as true.
And, personally, I've read menus that were better than this Heroes. But, you know, that's just me.
Quote: And, honestly, NBC experimented with this kind of story-telling last year with Surface. Instead of several different people dealing with the emergence of strange, prehistoric underwater creatures, they're dealing with superpowers. This is also more cross-breeding within the company since USA, Sci-Fi, and NBC are all owned by the same parent company and have been in the habit of airing one another's programing for the past several years including a 4400 special and the Battlestar mini on NBC.
I never saw or heard that the Battlestar mini was aired on NBC. When did that happen? And, the fact that you compare this to Surface, and the 4400, as a reason for it to happen, just reinforces my opinion all the more. They should get fucking original and stop trying to water down the genre with generic retakes on their own material.
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Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
I honestly know you're joking, and I honestly want to laugh. But, I don't get it. How would I want to write anything like that?
Quote: thedoctor said: The evil dad of the cheerleader was telegraphed
Incredibly.
You knew it before the final 15-20 minutes?
Quote: So far, the Japanese guy, Hiro (Super Hiro - I thought that was pretty funny) and the cheerleader seem to be the most interesting characters due, I think, to her youthful struggle with her power and his comic book geekiness and excitement.
Loved SuperHiro. The cheerleader got goofy, quick. She runs into a fire to test her abilities. Yet, when we see her in there, she's just standing around in a clear area that's not on fire.
Um, she may have not wanted to burn of her clothes, and it set up her rescuing the guy...
Quote: The web cam chick with the mirror universe doppleganger seems to have the best potential as far as unusual power. I'll give it a few more episodes to see if it can grow legs and run.
Whereas, I couldn't wait for her scenes to get over with and move on. Cliche and boring.
Mirror universe superpowers are cliche? Only in comics and sci-fi--even then it isn't used that much in this manner. Remember this is a show reaching for an audience who likes drama/action.
Quote: Is this the same Smallville that you used to wank to on a weekly basis for, like, three years?
Sweetheart, I never said I didn't watch Smallville. I cite it as the example that taught me my lesson on this tripe they try and feed us. Also, I would have no room to cite it, or talk, if I hadn't watched it. And, just so we're clear, I only watched the first two years. That was when I was certain the teen-angst and the horrible acting of Lana wasn't going to change.
But it's still fun sometimes, and is something for me to watch, because some people like me loathe Gilmore Girls, Survivor, 24 and CSI.
Quote: Seriously, though, I do think that shows should be given chances to change and grow. If not, Star Trek: The Next Generation would've never made it past the first season. Remember, it took three seasons for it and Deep Space Nine to finally find what works and use it. A show should be measured on its potential, which I believe Heroes has. Any character, concept, or actor that isn't working can easily be written out and/or replaced. A lot of good TV took time to develop.
I'm not saying there isn't precedence for such a thing. However, I failed to see this "potential" you guys are citing. Why watch this lukewarm amalgam, when I can go directly to the source and enjoy The 4400 or LOST? No, this is NBC desperately trying to wedge itself into a niche that grew popular elsewhere. They are, as usual, three years late to the party.
Lost has been pretty lackluster --hopefully this changes..
Quote: Battlestar may have started out strong, but it also wobbled a bit in places in the second season.
A matter of perspective. I have found no real fault with Galactica since it debuted. And the weakest of its episodes outshines most everything else on television, hands down.
Yeah, I agree with Doc. Galactica had half a season of slow non-directional shows last year. I still love it though.
Quote: Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
I honestly know you're joking, and I honestly want to laugh. But, I don't get it. How would I want to write anything like that?
Can't we at least agree that Birds Of Prey deserved a second season, if only to give me more Dina Meyer, Mia Sara, and Ashley Scott to build fantasies around? WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!?!?
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"I can't even brush my teeth without gagging!" - Tommy Tantillo: Wank & Cry, heckpuppy, and general laughingstock
I never saw or heard that the Battlestar mini was aired on NBC. When did that happen? And, the fact that you compare this to Surface, and the 4400, as a reason for it to happen, just reinforces my opinion all the more. They should get fucking original and stop trying to water down the genre with generic retakes on their own material.
Quote: Pig Iron said: You knew it before the final 15-20 minutes?
The moment they mentioned the cheerleader had a father? Yeah.
Quote: Um, she may have not wanted to burn of her clothes, and it set up her rescuing the guy...
Yeah, cause, that's not generic and by-the-numbers...
Quote: Mirror universe superpowers are cliche? Only in comics and sci-fi--even then it isn't used that much in this manner.
Did they state she had "mirror universe" powers? If so, I missed it. Or, it wasn't properly expressed to me. Of course, why a reflective surface allows a "mirror universe", I don't know. But, that's just me.
Quote: Remember this is a show reaching for an audience who likes drama/action.
Thus, it's not even an honest attempt at a "comic book" show. And, thus, they're trying to water it down to reach all demographics by dressing it up in "comic book" surface aspects, in hopes of sucking in the genre fans. And, thus, my point.
Quote: But it's still fun sometimes, and is something for me to watch, because some people like me loathe Gilmore Girls, Survivor, 24 and CSI.
Well, sure, if you pick THAT line-up, then, 'Heroes' is fucking gold. But, there are more channels, and better shows.
And, Lauren Graham (Gilmore mom) is teh hotness.
Quote: Lost has been pretty lackluster --hopefully this changes..
Agreed. If they would put a bullet in Loeb..........'s contract...
Quote: Yeah, I agree with Doc. Galactica had half a season of slow non-directional shows last year. I still love it though.
Oh, I still love it. But, I sincerely didn't see anything directionless about any of the episodes. Of course, as was said...to each his own.
Quote: Joe Mama said: Can't we at least agree that Birds Of Prey deserved a second season, if only to give me more Dina Meyer, Mia Sara, and Ashley Scott to build fantasies around? WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!?!?
I like Heroes. The Japanese guy was the best. I didn't like the porn star/webcam woman or the painter. THe cheerleader was cool, but the standing in fire and not burning her clothes of was unrealistic. It was her family that annoyed me (mother and brothers). I liked the twist with the politician brother being able to fly, not the one with the daydreams.
Also, I like Smallville. I'm looking forwad to the Green Arrow episodes this season.
Quote: King Snarf said: Uh-huh. "What's your excuse for this show" doesn't AT ALL sound judgmental, thereby causing someone to get defensive. If you'd like me to go in-depth as to why I liked it, aside from the end plot twist that I'd mentioned already, then I'd be glad too. I didn't see the point in doing so, as you had already clearly made up your mind. It's for the same reason I don't challenge your dislike of Joss Whedon. You don't care for his work, I do, and no amount of debate on either side will change that.
Hey, if you cannot discuss your enjoyment of subpar material without getting all defensive, then, just forget. Come back when you're off the rag...
How am I being defensive? If I were a petty sort, I'd accuse you of being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Fortunately, I above those sorts of shenanigans.
Knutreturns said: Spoken like the true Greatest RDCW Champ!
Listen, I've more than layed out what I think, believe, and how it relates to my opinion. If you can do the same, and allow me to cross-examine it without getting touchy-feely (lover), then, I'm very willing to understand...
Quote: Prometheus said: Sweetheart, I never said I didn't watch Smallville. I cite it as the example that taught me my lesson on this tripe they try and feed us. Also, I would have no room to cite it, or talk, if I hadn't watched it. And, just so we're clear, I only watched the first two years. That was when I was certain the teen-angst and the horrible acting of Lana wasn't going to change.
Ah... yes, now I remember. You didn't have cable for Season 3, so you had Rowe tape it for you.
You were watching it. You were liking it (minus the Lana bits). And you were gay for Michael Rosenbaun. Admit it.
While you're at it, feed me that line again about how The Gilmore Girls had great dialogue.
Quote: Prometheus said: The reason LOST wobbled in the second season is an apparent and noted phenomenon that causes all shows to sink.....Jeph Loeb. Once Loeb joins any show, it generally gets sick. That's a fact, jack. One that I'm certain you recognize as true.
If Lost had the plan and drive to continue on for a second season, Loeb would never have been hired. His being hired is proof that that show shot its load in the first season and that the writers/creators didn't know where else to take it.
Quote: Prometheus said: I never saw or heard that the Battlestar mini was aired on NBC. When did that happen? And, the fact that you compare this to Surface, and the 4400, as a reason for it to happen, just reinforces my opinion all the more. They should get fucking original and stop trying to water down the genre with generic retakes on their own material.
NBC showed the Battlestar mini right before the first season started to try and push viewers over to Sci-Fi to watch it.
The fact is that even if you don't like Heroes it's already been a success for NBC. The word of mouth alone from critics and viewers who saw it before the premiere via the web or ComicCon generated enough interest to sell ad time for it at a nice rate as well as draw in curious viewers. I see this more as NBC taking chances again with genre material like they did with V in the 80's.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: Besides, I think the only reason you don't like it is because it's exactly the kind of story you'd write for TOMB or Vanguard if given the chance.
Quote: I honestly know you're joking, and I honestly want to laugh. But, I don't get it. How would I want to write anything like that?
Quote: :lol:
Again.....what?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Quote: Prometheus said: Yeah, but, isn't it truly telling how accepting we've become of mediocre shit? If a show doesn't nail it out of the ballpark, or, at least grab us in a way that's truly riveting the first time, then, why accept it and say "Oh it might get better"? That, to me, is a symptom of why television is so shitty these days (not the only symptom, mind you). We accept subpar, because that's all we've come to expect.
And, don't tell me tv can't do it right. LOST nailed it with perfection with its pilot. So did 4400's and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA's respective miniseries. Some say "24" did, as well (I don't know...never watched it). So, why accept things like SMALLVILLE and this HEROES because it "might" get better? Is it because it has some passing glance at a genre we enjoy (in this case, comic books)? Don't you find such an obvious half-ass attempt at playing on your affection for a genre somewhat, you know, insulting?
BTW, this is all sincere curiosity...not an attack, or a negative accusation...
I gave up watching network tv years ago.
I usually watch HBO, Cinemax, Encore movies and the Science, Discovery, History, and National Geographic channels...or pop a dvd or video tape into the machine.. or scan through You tube.
Quote: thedoctor said: Ah... yes, now I remember. You didn't have cable for Season 3, so you had Rowe tape it for you.
JD, normally I would concede the humor. However, you're simply wrong at this point. Rowe never taped Smallville for me. Arrested Devlopment, Frasier, even Friends? Yep. Not Smallville. That's a fact, man.
Quote: You were watching it. You were liking it (minus the Lana bits). And you were gay for Michael Rosenbaun. Admit it.
Ah, so, when you're wrong, you resort to taking shots? Rosenbaum was, and probably still is, the only good actor on that show. You disagree, fine. Doesn't change anything.
Quote: While you're at it, feed me that line again about how The Gilmore Girls had great dialogue.
Oh dear. Just because something doesn't have cult-fave jokes with Bruce Campbell, or relate on the dick-and-fart level, it's automatically beneath your notice? Sorry the wit and dialogue is too high-brow for you. And, meanwhile, I'll go on lusting after Lauren Graham...
Quote: If Lost had the plan and drive to continue on for a second season, Loeb would never have been hired. His being hired is proof that that show shot its load in the first season and that the writers/creators didn't know where else to take it.
Well, man, that's just incredibly sheer speculation on your part, my man. The fact that Paul Dini left meant they had to fill the slot. The fact that they hired Jeph Loeb just means that he continues his original contract with Satan. Because Loeb writes for Marvel and DC, does that make the entire company bad?
BTW, just how much of LOST have you actually even watched? Just curious.
Quote: NBC showed the Battlestar mini right before the first season started to try and push viewers over to Sci-Fi to watch it.
Okay. I never saw it on NBC...or even heard that it aired on that channel. Sci-Fi was my introduction to it.
Quote: The fact is that even if you don't like Heroes it's already been a success for NBC. The word of mouth alone from critics and viewers who saw it before the premiere via the web or ComicCon generated enough interest to sell ad time for it at a nice rate as well as draw in curious viewers. I see this more as NBC taking chances again with genre material like they did with V in the 80's.
I hope you're right. I hope they actually take more chances, and sink some depth and substance into their programming line. Heroes may be a first step, no doubt. However, I'll wait until the third or fourth step to see if NBC can get there.
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Ahhhh, because you don't seem to be able to explain it, is this where you steal bsams schtick and say "I win again!" ?
Quote: thedoctor said: Ah... yes, now I remember. You didn't have cable for Season 3, so you had Rowe tape it for you.
JD, normally I would concede the humor. However, you're simply wrong at this point. Rowe never taped Smallville for me. Arrested Devlopment, Frasier, even Friends? Yep. Not Smallville. That's a fact, man.
Quote: You were watching it. You were liking it (minus the Lana bits). And you were gay for Michael Rosenbaun. Admit it.
Ah, so, when you're wrong, you resort to taking shots? Rosenbaum was, and probably still is, the only good actor on that show. You disagree, fine. Doesn't change anything.
I guess I'll just have to get Cross to remind you of the Smallville tapes Rowe brought over from her apartment next door for you. He, of course, doesn't have to confirm the man-crush since you had to correct me on how to spell your dear Lex Luthor's last name.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: While you're at it, feed me that line again about how The Gilmore Girls had great dialogue.
Oh dear. Just because something doesn't have cult-fave jokes with Bruce Campbell, or relate on the dick-and-fart level, it's automatically beneath your notice? Sorry the wit and dialogue is too high-brow for you. And, meanwhile, I'll go on lusting after Lauren Graham...
You mean dialogue in line with Joss Whedon's? I found the same fault with that show that I found with Buffy and everything else Whedon's done. The dialogue is fast paced but all the same. You could easily switch lines from one character to the next without anyone noticing. That's not clever. That's repetitious.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: If Lost had the plan and drive to continue on for a second season, Loeb would never have been hired. His being hired is proof that that show shot its load in the first season and that the writers/creators didn't know where else to take it.
Well, man, that's just incredibly sheer speculation on your part, my man. The fact that Paul Dini left meant they had to fill the slot. The fact that they hired Jeph Loeb just means that he continues his original contract with Satan. Because Loeb writes for Marvel and DC, does that make the entire company bad?
BTW, just how much of LOST have you actually even watched? Just curious.
I've seen none and have stated it. I've also stated that what I've said comes from what I've heard other people say.
As far as the Marvel/DC question, you're the one with the argument that Loeb is killing off shows by his writing. I'm saying that he's obviously got the reputation as a go-to guy to help shows when they need it. That's how he got the Smallville gig as well as (from what I've read online) how he was hired for Lost.
Quote: Prometheus said:
Quote: The fact is that even if you don't like Heroes it's already been a success for NBC. The word of mouth alone from critics and viewers who saw it before the premiere via the web or ComicCon generated enough interest to sell ad time for it at a nice rate as well as draw in curious viewers. I see this more as NBC taking chances again with genre material like they did with V in the 80's.
I hope you're right. I hope they actually take more chances, and sink some depth and substance into their programming line. Heroes may be a first step, no doubt. However, I'll wait until the third or fourth step to see if NBC can get there.
Like ST:TNG, ST:DSN, Rescue Me, and most other shows, it might take time. Now, if they backslide, yeah, let it go by the end of the season. The thing is that if it gets better and not worse as it progresses, it could turn into a damn fine series.
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Ahhhh, because you don't seem to be able to explain it, is this where you steal bsams schtick and say "I win again!" ?
Don't tell me that you can't take the time to laugh at a small inside joke. Or is it that it's an inside joke that you won't life at it?
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Oh, and as far as lusting after Lauren Graham, I'll just watch her being a naughty girl in Bad Santa. She's sexy, and the movie is actually entertaining.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Quote: thedoctor said: I guess I'll just have to get Cross to remind you of the Smallville tapes Rowe brought over from her apartment next door for you. He, of course, doesn't have to confirm the man-crush since you had to correct me on how to spell your dear Lex Luthor's last
name.
Please do. I think you're wrong.
And Rosenbaum is hawt!
...I mean...."cool". Yeah. Cool.
Quote: You mean dialogue in line with Joss Whedon's? I found the same fault with that show that I found with Buffy and everything else Whedon's done. The dialogue is fast paced but all the same. You could easily switch lines from one character to the next without anyone noticing. That's not clever. That's repetitious.
Well, I would completely disagree there. But, I guess it's a matter of personal taste and perspective.
Quote: I've seen none and have stated it. I've also stated that what I've said comes from what I've heard other people say.
As far as the Marvel/DC question, you're the one with the argument that Loeb is killing off shows by his writing. I'm saying that he's obviously got the reputation as a go-to guy to help shows when they need it. That's how he got the Smallville gig as well as (from what I've read online) how he was hired for Lost.
I didn't realize being a number one, Emmy-winning show was considered "needing help". I don't know where you got the info, but, I find it highly speculative and illogical, considering the facts.
Quote: Like ST:TNG, ST:DSN, Rescue Me, and most other shows, it might take time. Now, if they backslide, yeah, let it go by the end of the season. The thing is that if it gets better and not worse as it progresses, it could turn into a damn fine series.
Perhaps you're right. Knowing NBC, though, I won't hold my breath.
Quote: Don't tell me that you can't take the time to laugh at a small inside joke. Or is it that it's an inside joke that you won't life at it?
No, I sincerely want to laugh....really! I just don't get it. What are you referring to? My ideas being "stolen" ( ) by movies and comics? Is that what you're talking about? Cause, if so....I am original.....Khan!!...
Quote: You mean dialogue in line with Joss Whedon's? I found the same fault with that show that I found with Buffy and everything else Whedon's done. The dialogue is fast paced but all the same. You could easily switch lines from one character to the next without anyone noticing. That's not clever. That's repetitious.
Well, I would completely disagree there. But, I guess it's a matter of personal taste and perspective.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
I liked it buuut I think they have to do more so viewers are more interested in the characters. Granted thats hard to do with a large cast in the first episode but other than the cheerleader none of the characters really grabbed my attention outside of their powers. What the Doctor said about ST:TNG is something to keep in mind. Heroes like ST:TNG might just need some time to grow.
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: I liked it buuut I think they have to do more so viewers are more interested in the characters. Granted thats hard to do with a large cast in the first episode but other than the cheerleader none of the characters really grabbed my attention outside of their powers. What the Doctor said about ST:TNG is something to keep in mind. Heroes like ST:TNG might just need some time to grow.
thats just the point, why should we have to put up with subpar shows until finaly get there act together. basically we wind up suporting bad tv shows in the hopes that eventually they will improve.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
Quote: cross said: watched it and liked it better when they called it the 4400.
Heh. I see the parallels between the shows, but I still liked Hero. Hiro made me laugh. Liked the cheerleaders story and the brothers' story too. I'll watch it again...
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
Quote: cross said: watched it and liked it better when they called it the 4400.
Heh. I see the parallels between the shows, but I still liked Hero. Hiro made me laugh. Liked the cheerleaders story and the brothers' story too. I'll watch it again...
Quote: Matter-eater Man said: I liked it buuut I think they have to do more so viewers are more interested in the characters. Granted thats hard to do with a large cast in the first episode but other than the cheerleader none of the characters really grabbed my attention outside of their powers. What the Doctor said about ST:TNG is something to keep in mind. Heroes like ST:TNG might just need some time to grow.
thats just the point, why should we have to put up with subpar shows until finaly get there act together. basically we wind up suporting bad tv shows in the hopes that eventually they will improve.
True, I wouldn't urge people to watch something they didn't like but personally I'm a big enough of a geek (on Monday nights anyways) where I'll give it more of a chance.
Quote: cross said: watched it and liked it better when they called it the 4400.
Heh. I see the parallels between the shows, but I still liked Hero. Hiro made me laugh. Liked the cheerleaders story and the brothers' story too. I'll watch it again...
But if it was kittens you'd hate it....
Sí. Los gatos son malos. Hay una razón por qué ellos fueron asociados con brujas.
Dear, sweet Harley Kwink...I'm madly in love with you. Marry me! We can go to Canadia. Or Boston or something. It'll be grand...You know the cookies are a given. They are ALWAYS a given. You could dump me tomorrow and you'd still get the cookies. Boston..shit, wherever dyke weddings were legalized. And where better to rub their little piggie noses in how bad they suck than right on their doorstep? What are they gonna do? Be jealous of you? Stare furiously at your tah-tahs? Not willingly give you cookies, but instead begrudgingly give you their cookies? Woman, time to wake up to the powers you wield - Uschi
Greatest. Doctor Drama. Ever! 
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), then, I'm very willing to understand...
