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Prometheus said:
They actually strove to make the world a better place through change. That's fundamentally optimistic to me...




So.... Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all fundamentally optimistic?




I'd say a better comparison is with Roosevelt, Johnson, Reagan, and Bush, amongst others who were optimistic about their use of force to make the world "safe for democracy" and the like.

I don't agree with George W. Bush's politics, but I do think he genuinely believed he could make the world a safer place through invading Iraq. He was fundamentally optimistic about the use of force in the Middle East working to bring about real change. Change did happen, but not in the way he hoped.