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At least 22 dead, 28 injured. The worst school related shooting in US history.
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Gunman Kills 21 on Virginia Tech Campus
By SUE LINDSEY, Associated Press Writer
36 minutes ago
BLACKSBURG, Va. - A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman was killed but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.
"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said Virginia Tech president Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified."
The university reported shootings at opposite sides of the 2,600-acre campus, beginning at about 7:15 a.m. at West Ambler Johnston, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 people, and continuing about two hours later at Norris Hall, an engineering building.
The name of the gunman was not released.
Up until Monday, the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history took place in 1966 at the University of Texas, where Charles Whitman climbed to the 28th-floor observation deck of a clock tower and opened fire. He killed 16 people before he was gunned down by police. In the Columbine High bloodbath near Littleton, Colo., in 1999, two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before taking their own lives.
On Monday, one student was killed in a dorm and the others were killed in the classroom, Virginia Tech Police Chief W.R. Flinchum.
After the shootings, all entrances to the campus were closed and classes canceled through Tuesday.
"There's just a lot of commotion. It's hard to tell exactly what's going on," said Jason Anthony Smith, 19, who lives in the dorm where shooting took place.
Aimee Kanode, a freshman from Martinsville, said the shooting happened on the 4th floor of West Ambler Johnston dormitory, one floor above her room. Kanode's resident assistant knocked on her door about 8 a.m. to notify students to stay put.
"They had us under lockdown," Kanode said. "They temporarily lifted the lockdown, the gunman shot again."
"We're all locked in our dorms surfing the Internet trying to figure out what's going on," Kanode said.
Madison Van Duyne, a student who was interviewed by telephone on CNN, said, "We are all in lockdown. Most of the students are sitting on the floors away from the windows just trying to be as safe as possible."
It was second time in less than a year that the campus was closed because of a shooting.
In August 2006, the opening day of classes was canceled and the campus closed when an escaped jail inmate allegedly killed a hospital guard off campus and fled to the Tech area. A sheriff's deputy involved in the manhunt was killed on a trail just off campus.
The accused gunman, William Morva, faces capital murder charges.
"I offer you a Vulcan prayer, Mr Suder. May your death bring you the peace you never found in life." - Tuvok. 
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The campus was a gun free zone. glad that worked out for them.
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I saw a video ( sorry cannot link it to here ) of the shootings.. well, it was the aftermath...and one student was telling how many students were injured when they panicked and jumped out the 4 th floor dorm windows.
Some had broken legs, arms, injured backs..
I can only imagine how horrible it must have been... and still worse, to be a friend or parent of one of the dead students.
Very sad.
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Some broad on MSNBC just said that this was a result of guns being readily available in the United States.
Yup, it had nothing to do with some psycho, its all the guns fault.
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The death toll at the school is now at 30. 
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Some broad on MSNBC just said that this was a result of guns being readily available in the United States.
Yup, it had nothing to do with some psycho, its all the guns fault.
ill take it as a combo of both. this is truly sad news...
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yes, because the gun woke up this morning and decided to go shoot some people.
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Mrs. G just called me all freaked out. Apparently one of her close colleagues works at this campus and she has no idea if her friend was one of the victims or not.
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I hope the gun is tried and put away for life--NO! I hope it's put to death for what it did!
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if we kill the guns arent we as bad as the guns themselves?
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if we kill the guns arent we as bad as the guns themselves?
Guns don't kill people...people kill guns...that, um, kill people....
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We should also blame Hollywood and/or the public school system for this. We should also blame the psycho's family for the shooting. The important thing here is that we do not blame the asshole who pulled the trigger.
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Nobody blames a suicide victim. THAT'd be unconsonable.
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I'm glad I checked here to see what you bunch of misfits were saying about this tragedy...and I actually laughed at the absurdity of blaming the gun etc.
I'm against idiots being allowed to have guns...period! If someone is responsible w/ a gun and has more than enough sense not to go waving it around when they get pissed about something I'm alright with them owning a gun. The problem is how to distinguish the idiots from the rest of a responsible society. No easy answer...and I'm sure there will be far more tragedys before anyone comes close to a practical solution.
May I also suggest that we neglected to blame the shooter's weekly comic book habit?
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I do hope your wife's friend is alright G-Man.
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We should also blame Hollywood and/or the public school system for this. We should also blame the psycho's family for the shooting. The important thing here is that we do not blame the asshole who pulled the trigger.
Damn Rockstar and their Bully game.
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and it didn't take long for Jack Thompson to go on air and say it was all the fault of video games.
That a guy would use a tragedy like this to further his own agenda sickens me.
didn't think I'd say this but, my thoughts go out to the families and friends.
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 I was just about to post a similar article, G - Man... You beat me to it by an hour... 
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What everyone fails to mention is that if the students had been armed, this guy would have been dead before getting off his second shot.
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I never expected to hear that from a communist.
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I'm all for responsible gun ownership. I've said this many times.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,176236.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=4&cset=true Quote:
They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.
Translation:
They are searching his computer for a ten year old game that is the cause of every shooting in the history of time.
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New York Post: The gunman suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech massacre that left 33 people dead was identified Tuesday as an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service.
Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old senior, arrived in the United States as boy from South Korea in 1992 and was raised in suburban Washington, D.C., officials said. He was living on campus in a different dorm from the one where Monday's bloodbath began.
Police and university officials offered no clues to his motive in the massacre, but a rambling note was reportedly found in Cho's dorm room.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the note railed against "rich kids" and "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
Sources told the Tribune that the words "ISMAIL AX" were also found written in red ink on the inside of one of Cho's arms.
The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy.
In the Jewish and Christian traditions, the son is Isaac, father of the Jewish people; in Islam, it is his brother, Ismail (Ishmael in Hebrew).
Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax.
A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham's destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so. Interesting....
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he was Muslim....figures.
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Now, to be fair, he wasn't born a Muslim.
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The kid's creative writing teacher told him he needed to be in therapy.
His suicide note ended with " You caused me to do this. "
He blamed others for what he did. He took no responsibility for his own actions.
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I blame global warming and the bird flu.
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I did a search on “Ismail” and “ax”, dug around a bit, and found this. It is from a book called “Hajj” by Dr. Ali Shariati. It relates Ibrahim’s destruction of idols, and there is a line that refers to taking an axe and “sacrficing your Ismail.” I don’t know if this is allegorical and meant to refer to spiritual struggle, or whether it is something that is encourage to be acted upon in the world
The three Satans, situated along the King’s Street, are about one hundred meters apart from each other. Each represents a “monument”, a “statue” or an “idol”. Every year their faces are painted white!
“God is Great”, how meaningful! The army has arrived; all have arms (pebbles) in their hands and are ready to fire. When you reach the first idol, do not shoot - but pass by. When you reach the second idol, do not shoot but pass by. When you reach the third idol, do not pass by, but shoot!Why? Those wise and experienced teachers usually tell us to quietly and gradually take turns in a sequential way but here Ibrahim is the Commander and orders:
“SHOOT THE LAST ONE IN YOUR FIRST ATTACK”! “DID YOU SHOOT?” “YES” “HOW MANY TIMES?” “SEVEN!” “ARE YOU SURE THEY HIT THE TARGET?” “I AM SURE.” “DID YOU HIT THE BELLY OR THE LEGS?” “NONE!” “DID YOU HIT HIS BACK?” “NO.” “DID YOU HIT HIS HEAD AND FACE?” “YES, I DID.” “WELL DONE!”
The fight is over. When the last idol falls, the first and second ones can not resist. The last idol supports the other two. After leaving the front, you have nothing more to do except make the sacrifice Then you may announce and celebrate your victory! Take off your ihram put on your desired clothing, cut your hair, use perfume if you want and embrace your spouse. You are free now! You are a man! Mina is conquered by you and Satan is defeated. What am I saying? You are Ibrahim now! You are in the position to sacrifice your Ismail for Him.
Maybe a stretch and maybe coincidental. Or maybe not.
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I am so desensitized that this doesn't even bother me-hardly.
I blame the modern school system, parents, and courts for not making kids accountable for their actions, and lack of discipline and punishment.
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Oh, and I blame Islam too...
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Media advisory from the Asian American Journalists Association: Don't call the Virginia Tech shooter Asian. Nice to have the luxury of that as your top priority
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Media advisory from the Asian American Journalists Association: Don't call the Virginia Tech shooter Asian.
Nice to have the luxury of that as your top priority
I don't call the shooter Asian.
I call him a sick asshole.
Nice legacy to leave your family.
One of shame and guilt. And anger.
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VIRGINIA SHOOTER'S WRITINGS RAISED CONCERNS
...A student who attended Virginia Tech last fall provided obscenity- and violence-laced screenplays that he said Cho wrote as part of a playwriting class they both took. One was about a fight between a stepson and his stepfather, and involved throwing of hammers and attacks with a chainsaw. Another was about students fantasizing about stalking and killing a teacher who sexually molested them.
"When we read Cho's plays, it was like something out of a nightmare. The plays had really twisted, macabre violence that used weapons I wouldn't have even thought of," former classmate Ian McFarlane, now an AOL employee, wrote in a blog posted on an AOL Web site.
It's really too bad he purchased guns and acted out.
He could have gone into comics writing and changed his name to Morrison, Ellis, or Ennis, and everyone would be hailing him as a visionary genius now.
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No. They posted one of his plays at "the Smoking Gun." He's not even a Jeph Loeb quality writer.
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I was just commenting on the ultra-violent content of what he was writing. And the way our society, short of actual violent acts on the writer's part, often rewards this kind of depravity, regardless of whether the writing is well-crafted or not.
I was commenting that many in the popular culture exalt as "art" this sort of excrement, created by warped and depraved minds.
Where do these crazies get their ideas and the boldness to act on them? Precisely this: From in-your-face portrayal of such acts, and from salacious news coverage of every juicy detail when someone acts out, as this twisted asshole did.
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Where do these crazies get their ideas and the boldness to act on them. Precisely this. From in-your-face portrayal of such acts, and salacious news coverage of every juicy detail when someone acts out, as this twisted asshole did.
No, they do it because they are fucked up in the head. People are responsible for their own actions.
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