RKMBs Forums .::Important::. Politics and Current Events Do Liberals HATE America?

Did I say that? No, you just deliberately twisted reality, and scripted me to say that.

From the other topic today:

•  Originally Posted By: WB

  , from the Independence Day topic :
  
  When in fact, we have a history we can be proud of. I read an article a few years ago that said: "the United States has done more good and less evil than any government in the history of the world." Some mis-steps, certainly, but that should not be disproportionately over-emphasized, in an otherwise unique, great and noble history. Only cynics with prejudice and ulterior motives could see it otherwise.
  
  
  and...
  
  
   Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy

  
  It seems to me that all you do is attack America. That you truly hate it, to the point that anything said about the good of this country makes you bristle with contempt.
  
  I didn't say that this country is perfect. But I did say there's a lot more right than wrong.
  
  With your attitude toward the United States and its citizens, I really think you belong in another country. Canada perhaps. Or Iran. Or France.
  

Not really. I had a girlfriend from Colombia who said for her and others in her country, their country was largely just a place where they lived, and that she never saw patriotism and proud display of the flag until she came to this country.

I'll grant that for nations like France or Russia or China or many other nations with a longer history and cultural identity, that's probably true.
But not always.



Such as due to leftist disloyalty to national interests, wrong-headed students of liberalism who want to dissolve borders and melt our nation into some kind of international conglomerate.
Corrupt liberal sympathies for muslim radicals who slaughter and behead innocent people, instead of sympathies for more legitimate interests of their own nation and its own higher standard of humanitarianism and justice, however occasionally flawed our nation is in a few abberant cases?



Coulter exposed what she thought to be an outrage, that liberal/Democrat media was largely not reporting and sweeping under the rug.

Both Clintons were involved in Whitewater, and in deliberately propping up a savings and loan to protect their own investment, causing a larger federal loss of roughly a billion dollars in taxpayer-funded bailout.

The Clintons rented out the Lincoln bedroom to Chinese campaign donors, and then paid them off by allowing them to obtain missile technology, so the Chinese now have nuclear-tipped ICBM's that can reach the United States.

The Clintons gave a billion a year in freebies to the North Koreans to bribe them into giving up nuclear development, and naively required no verification to assure the North Korean were complying, which gave the N. Koreans 10 years to freely develop nukes (which you now blame Bush for, and absolve Clinton of any responsibility in letting this happen).

Clinton engaged in securing FBI files of key Republicans, to get the dirt on their private lives and try to intimidate them into silence (i.e., "Filegate").
And comparable to the Libby exoneration you have such contempt for, Clinton pardoned dozens of criminals right before he left office, a number of them campaign donors, or friends of campaign donors.

Those are just the ones I can think of offhand.

My point is, exactly what you criticize Bush and Republicans for, is exactly what you ignore, rationalize and gloss over, when it's liberals and Democrats doing the very same things or a damn close equivalent.



no, that's just how you dismissively rationalize perjury and obstruction of justice. Not to mention selling out U.S. national security, as I detailed above.



I'd say the decadence of the Left since 1965 is a closer parallel to Rome (undefended borders, rampant immigration, undermining belief in our nation and its institutions, allowing fragmentation along cultural/ethnic lines in the name of "multiculturalism", undermining the institutions of marriage and family, declining birth rates, abortion, and other assorted decadence)

To your central point of debating the war, my problem is that you never voice anything but contempt for the United States.
You rationalize muslim violence in alleged defense against American imperialism, but simultaneously paint the entire 150,000 soldiers in Iraq as guilty of the same behavior as 7 aberrant army guards at Abu Ghraib.

There is a difference between constructive criticism of the United States, and your blind condemnation of everything our nation does in defense of its interests, and the interests of the free world. (You also ignore that I've voiced a small mountain of constructive criticism myself, in many posts here over the last 6 years).