Originally Posted By: Matter-eater Man

He had no problem dumping Rumsfeld after the election results in '06. He flipped on that so fast he risked whip-lash.

Gonzales is doing exactly what Bush wants him to do. As it is now he gets the benefit of Gonzales taking some of the heat for it. (kind of had that with Rumsfeld [too])

And I believe Brownie feels differently about Bush's "loyalty" these days. Something about being made a scapegoat I believe.

Harriet Miers was supported by Bush until he knew he couldn't get her in because his base wouldn't allow it.



And your point is what, MEM ?


It seems to me you're dedicated to believing the absolute worst about Bush and other Republicans, often on total speculation and a complete lack of facts. Whereas in the same situation, you defend Democrats under the same allegations, and attribute Republican pursuit of justice in those cases to petty vindictiveness, no matter how clear and incriminating the evidence.

First off, Bush didn't pardon Libby. Your assumption that he'd pardon Libby, now that Libby's already out of jail, and has paid a 250,000-dollar fine, is pure speculation.

And meanwhile, you conversely ignore that Clinton is the biggest abuser of presidential pardons in the history of the office. With an unprecedented 141 last-minute pardons to wealthy political contributors, federal criminals, and other assorted Friends-of-Bill.


Rumsfeld submitted his resignation to Bush 4 times before the November 2006 election, as Rumsfeld himself said multiple times in front of reporters at press conferences.

Bush finally replaced Rumsfeld with Robert Gates after the Democrats won big in the November 2006 election. I'd call that the minimum action on Bush's part to open the possibility of getting cooperation with Democrats (Democrats who were elected on an anti-war agenda). And at that point, as I recall, Rumsfeld had been the longest-serving Secretary of Defense in the history of that office.

What you say about Gonzales "doing exactly what Bush wants him to", and "taking some of the heat" for Bush is speculation, and could be speculated without evidence about any Bush appointee who is accused of something and stays in office.
Frankly, I wish Gonzales would resign, and be replaced by someone who would restore faith in the attorney general's office. As I wished Rumsfeld to resign as well.


However scapegoated Michael Brown might be, he still absolves himself of all reponsibility for what happened with Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. As do the Democrat governor of Louisiana, the other elected Democrat Senators and Representatives of Louisiana who neglected funding for stronger dams and levi's, and then blamed it all on Bush, as also did the mayor of New Orleans. All of whom could have done more to prevent the disaster in New Orleans, but were all too happy to heap the entire blame at Bush's doorstep.

While I strongly opposed the Harriet Miers nomination, I think Bush hung onto the nomination as long as he could, up until he saw it was impossible, and saw he'd get no cooperation, even from his fellow Republicans (who stonewalled for a more qualified nominee). But Bush didn't give up on Miers until it was clear she'd never be confirmed.