Originally Posted By: Grimm
not hardly. did you actually read what I said? I'm not talking about the internet fans. I'm talking about "Joe and Jane Lunchpail" who merely want an interesting way to kill a few hours on a Friday night before they hit the bars.


Ohhhhhhhhhhh, gotcha.

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I know how these people are and I know how they react to films like this because I work with them and I've seen their reactions to films like this and we've discussed them. As long as they're entertained by the movie, they largely won't give a shit who's in it.


Well, you know, I remember talking with "normal" friends about Spider-Man 1, and while most people liked it, the one complaint I heard the most was about the organic webshooter (of all things). "Isn't it supposed to be a machine or something?" they'd ask me, and I'd be like "Does it matter?". Stuff like that shouldn't bother people, but it does. The Spider-Man thing was just a detail so it didn't make much of a difference, but I think it's indicative of a way of thinking. The point is that, generally speaking, if people have a preconcieved notion of what they're going to see, they'll react badly if that notion isn't met. This goes for all massive genres of entertainment. That's why movies like From Dusk Till Dawn never had a chance of being hits. Plot twists are only allowed in the third act.

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you obviously haven't been paying attention to the studios and their ever increasing geekdom and reliance on reactions at events like San Diego (and apparently now Chicago Con).


Forget the current market, it was just an example. I know a movie like that probably wouldn't get made these days (though maybe in five years the tide changes again and the studios decide to go back to disrespecting the source material).

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to many. but not all. to quite a few people they say "that's really stupid." but that's one section of people.


And to another section of people it says "jew propaganda", but none of those would go see the film either way. I think the great majority of the people who WOULD see the film share the concept I described.

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yep. but at the same time, these are the same people who will (and have) gladly watched films like From Hell, V for Vendetta, 300, Hellboy, Sin City, etc., etc., and mostly like those films. Again, I'm talking about people I know and have discussed these things with in real life. Non comic fans, non animation fans, who enjoyed the hell out of these films.


Yeah, that was my point. Most people who enjoyed those movies would still dismiss the comics as stupid simply for being comics. I brought up cartoons because I think the JL series wouldn't be an important factor. Just because Mr. Terrific showed up in the third season or whatever doesn't mean he's become part of pop culture.

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you can't please everyone.


Of course not, but you can considerably reduce the number of people you displease if you don't stray too much from their expectations. That's why film genres are so segregated and rarely allow new combinations. If you advertise a movie as a romantic comedy and it turns out to be a thriller, the public will track you down and rape you.

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that's true for the most part. In all honesty, unless it just looks completely amazing I doubt I'll even bother with it. but I know that there are various ways and methods to do this film with or without the so-called "Big Seven" that would make a good and successful film. Will any of them be used? Probably not.


Good films? Of course. Successful? Unless Lindsay Lohan plays Gypsy, I doubt it.