Mxy, you've really defeated your own arguments here with multiple contradictory statements. how can something be "pop culture" if people know nothing about it? the word is the defintion: popular culture. which means people must have at least a passing familiarity with the concept.
Which is what I've been saying all along. You can't squeeze an entire concept into popular culture: it doesn't retain that much. There's one bit of information that everyone will know, and in this case, that information is that the JLA is a group of known superheroes. That's what the passing familiarity you speak of is composed of.
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yes, Spider-Man is more well known than a lot of characters, but that's because like the JL and Superfriends, he's had several cartoon series, going back to the sixties. but again, the only people bitching about the organic webshooters are comic fans on the internet. but by your definitions of "pop culture" people should be bitching that he wasn't hanging out with Iceman and Firestar through all three movies. but cartoons don't help make characters popular. right. I guess they just enter into the public consciousness by osmosis.
Of course cartoons help characters get into pop culture, but once they're firmly planted there, that's where they'll stay. Look at Popeye: what's that fucker done for the past two decades? Kids today have never seen a Popeye cartoon, yet they're probably aware of the character because he's part of pop culture.
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do You really think From Dusk Till Dawn wasn't a hit? people went to see the movie. yes, there's a percentage of people that didn't like the twist. we covered this. but the fact is that most of the people that went to see it were well aware of the twist going into the movie. it's not like it was a big kept secret.
It's a fact that most people go into movies knowing nothing or really little about them. Most people don't watch trailers or read reviews. They show up at the theatre, look around, "hey, that looks scary"/"hey, that looks funny"/"hey, that's Alf there", buy pop corn, get in. Word of mouth can get you to go see a specific movie, but in general it consists of nothing but "hey, you know that talking car movie? it's really good."
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the film also spawned two sequels (though they sucked). last time I checked, a movie had to be somewhat of a hit to have a sequel.
It has sequels because it's a cult film, that is, it's a movie with staying power... but not a hit. How can you tell a cult sequel from a hit sequel? When it's more than two years after the original on limited video release.
This is really simple. "Hit" is a technical term that indicates how a movie did on its initial theatrical run. In this case, the movie surpassed its budget, but not a by too much. I think a nasty cunt in this forum once told me a movie has to DOUBLE it's budget to be considered a hit, and that seems like an accurate definition.
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and not to mention, it only jumpstarted George Clooney's film career. but I guess he was just "pop cultured" into successful films through osmosis again.
Grimmers, don't get so defensive. I don't hate FDTD. I'm indifferent to it. I only know about how it did and all because we talked about this case in class, while covering about this very subject. Besides, I'm not the type of guy to use box office figures to argue about the quality of a film.
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oh, and the quote was Ronald Reagan and Amanda Waller in the JLI/Suicide Squad crossover, so no points for you!
TURD. Shit, I'm sure Wally's mom said something similar...
