Originally Posted By: the G-man
So, what it really boils down to is that you disagree with Bush on this particular war and that you feel it's not a worthy cause.

Okay, fair enough.

But you're not a military vet either, are you? So why does you opinion count more than your fellow nonveterans Bush and Cheney (and G-man and WB)?

that wasn't the point. the point was that you and wondy and people like Bush never went into the military but are so willing to risk soldier's lives to prove a point and push your view on the world. (see:PNAC). As I said, I didn't join the military which falls in line with my over all anti-war stance. People like you are hypocrites.

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If anything, it counts less than that of the President and Vice President since, you know, THEY WERE ELECTED TO THE JOB BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, and everything.

A. Bush wasn't elected by the American people, he lost the popular vote.
B. He gave faulty intel and lies to sell the war.

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Furthermore, McCain (whom I disagree with on a number of issues) is a highly respected military vet and he agrees with Bush and Cheney about the surge and 90% of how the war has been prosecuted.

I never said anything in my post about military vets making better strategists and being beyond question. I pointed out that the people who are so eager for war are ones who never went. And McCain is a party hack. He insults Bush right up until it's time for an election.

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So the "they weren't in the military" is just a dodge. You have admitted and/or demonstrated that military service (or lack thereof) is not the defining factor here.

It only works when you twist the logic and my point to go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what i said but is easier to argue (see: republican strategy since 2000).
I'm talking about people like you, wondy, and other rightwingers who are so gung ho to keep the war going instead of admitting it was fumbled by Bush are for the most part people who kept themselves out of service.

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It's really just that you don't like Bush and you don't like the war. Fine. But instead of coming up with a principled argument against the war, you've got nothing but ad hominem attacks against the President, other leaders, WB and myself.

no it's really some old man who twists words and invents arguments because the truth is just too hard for him to stick by.

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