Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man


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After Iraq and Vietnam, no ally will ever trust us to remain committed again. Millions of pro-Democracy Iraqis are threatened with extermination if we leave. It was their willingness to put themselves at risk in support of democracy that got us this far in Iraq.

Vietnam was also based on a lie (see: Tonkin). Vietnam was also us preventing democracy because we were afraid they would vote for the communists. So instead of bolstering the non-communists we just bombed them.
Both wars were messes, both wars were to help people who didn't really want our help or wanted us to actually be competent with our help.



Ray, perhaps you've heard of this documentary, "War Made Easy", well worth watching and buying.



Yeah. I don't feel like talking much right now seeing as how I have a lot to do right now, so YouTube clips will have to suffice. I just bring it up because y'know... I'm sure someone is waiting in the wings to lob that complaint..

As far as Ken Burns. That would have been like me calling upon Ann Coulter to bolster my argument.

 Originally Posted By: Wonder Boy
Liberals will leap to find a way to discredit this good news from Iraq. It disheartens me to see such a lack of resolve regarding the Iraq war. I'm grateful this mindset didn't exist during world war II. We would have lost that war, as pure lack of commitment threatens to make us lose in Iraq.


Ken Burns pretty well answered that in that Real Time" clip. If there is any lack of "resolve", it' has everything to do with Bush himself and his call to American consumerism and not with the dreaded liberal conspiracy.