Originally Posted By: whomod

What "retreat", what "illogic"? The point is that they stayed behind inside the towers not out of some sense of duty despite the fact that the towers looked ready to collapse and despite the fact that the NYPD received evacuation orders. The point is that there was no chance for them to even know of the danger of the buildings about to give way or to hear the evacuation order because of their faulty radios.

Rudy's mythology would make sense if they had working radios and they then chose to commit suicide to try to save as many people as possible. But even taking into account the heightened drama of that day, no firefighter willingly and willfully chooses to stay in a building that's about to collapse.


That's not accurate, Whomod. In any number of documentaries about 9-11, I've seen interviews of police, fire-safety, and civilians talk about NYFD/NYPD take chances to save them and get them out, where they knowingly were endangering themselves to get as many people out as possible before the structures collapsed.
I call that the ultimate heroism, knowingly sacrificing themselves for others.

Some police and firefighters, I'm sure, didn't know it was coming. But their experience had to tell them they were at great risk every moment they stayed in the WTC towers, regardless of at what point the structure became completely unsafe.

I don't see that Giuliani is distorting or exploiting anything.

And while I'd frankly prefer a more conservative Republican, Giuliani does present a more healing middle ground for the nation, after a very partisan 8 years of Bill Clinton, followed by a very partisan 8 years of George W. Bush. I see Hillary Clinton as perpetuating with another 4 to 8 years of the same. Giuliani seems to be the middle ground everyone is looking for.
Even as the liberal-partisan machine does their best to pre-emptively lynch his candidacy.