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My idiot employer does not give sick time. Does anyone here work full time and not get sick time? Do you get vacation days? Most full time jobs I've had they just lump all time off in one category. I get ten vacation days a year with no sick time. They do give us Keiser medical but i have to pay something like $155 a month for that. That's about it. Other than that they provide a free extreme amount of fighting, immaturity, and stupidity throughout the entire company. I stay there for the work schedule and that's probably gonna come to an end soon 'cause my cocaine snorting man hating dumb shit of a supervisor wants to give my job to her druggie friends who can't make it to work three days in a row due to being drunk all the time.
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That really sucks.
Hope you have some good options in case you get the sack.
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The amount off sounds about right but you shouldn't have to pay anything for keiser. Its not worth it.
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This is actually an issue that is near and ear to my heart as I'm not the type that thinks their work defines them. LIFE defines me, my family defines me. I define me. Not my work. So I'm not one of those workaholics. So i'll repost this piece. Land of the overworked and tiredWe're taking fewer vacations so the Joneses won't get too far ahead of us.By Ezra Klein, EZRA KLEIN is a staff writer at the American Prospect. His blog is at EzraKlein.com.July 15, 2007 THE MOST astonishing revelations in Michael Moore's "Sicko" have nothing to do with healthcare. They're about vacation time. French vacation time, to be precise.
Sitting at a restaurant table with a bunch of American ex-pats in Paris, Moore is treated to a jaw-dropping recitation of the perks of social democracy: 30 days of vacation time, unlimited sick days, full child care, social workers who come to help new parents adjust to the strains and challenges of child-rearing. Walking out of the theater, I heard more envious mutterings about this scene than any other.
"Why can't we have that?" my fellow moviegoers asked.
The first possibility is that we already do. Maybe that perfidious Michael Moore is just lying in service of his French paymasters. But sadly, no. A recent report by Rebecca Ray and John Schmitt of the Center for Economic and Policy Research suggests that Moore is, if anything, understating his case. "The United States," they write, "is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation." Take notice of that word "only." Every other advanced economy offers a government guarantee of paid vacation to its workforce. Britain assures its workforce of 20 days of guaranteed, compensated leave. Germany gives 24. And France gives, yes, 30.
We guarantee zero. Absolutely none. That's why one out of 10 full-time American employees, and more than six out of 10 part-time employees, get no vacation. And even among workers with paid vacation benefits, the average number of days enjoyed is a mere 12. In other words, even those of us who are lucky enough to get some vacation typically receive just over a third of what the French are guaranteed.
This is strange. Of all these countries, the United States is, by far, the richest. And you would think that, as our wealth grew and our productivity increased, a certain amount of our resources would go into, well, us. Into leisure. Into time off. You would think that we'd take advantage of the fact that we can create more wealth in less time to wrest back some of those hours for ourselves and our families.
But instead, the exact opposite has happened. The average American man today works 100 more hours a year than he did in the 1970s, according to Cornell University economist Robert Frank. That's 2 1/2 weeks of added labor. The average woman works 200 more hours — that's five added weeks. And those hours are coming from somewhere: from time with our kids, our friends, our spouses, even our bed. The typical American, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, sleeps one to two hours less a night than his or her parents did.
This would all be fine if it were what we wanted. But that doesn't seem to be the case. One famous 1996 study asked associates at major law firms which world they'd prefer: The one they resided in, or one in which they took a 10% pay cut in return for a 10% reduction in hours worked. They overwhelmingly preferred the latter. Elsewhere, economists have given individuals sets of choices pitting leisure against goods. Leisure doesn't always win out, but it is certainly competitive. Yet we're pumping ever more hours into work, seeking ever-higher incomes to fund ever-greater consumption. Why?
A possible answer can be found in Frank's work. He argues that the U.S. economy has set its incentives up so as to systematically underemphasize leisure and overemphasize consumption. Much of what we purchase are called "positional goods" — goods whose value is measured in relation to the purchases of others. Take housing. Would you rather live in a land where you had a 4,000-square-foot house and everyone else had a 6,000-square-foot house, or one in which you had a 3,000-square-foot house and everyone else had a 2,000-square-foot house? Given this choice, studies show that most respondents pick the latter.
Being concerned with one's relative position rather than one's absolute position is not irrational or merely motivated by envy. In order to retain your relative standard of living, you need to keep up with the purchases of others in your income bracket. Retaining your relative position also ensures that you don't send the wrong signals when a client comes over for dinner. Houses, cars, clothing — they all help send those signals. And because the rich in this country keep getting richer, we're caught in what Frank calls "expenditure cascades" in an effort to keep up with them. Their purchases raise the bar for the group right below them, which in turn increases the needs of the next income set, and so on.
This makes the purchase of positional goods more pressing and urgent than non-positional goods. And so they "crowd out" their less context-contingent cousins. People want to spend less time at work, but they also want to retain and improve their standard of living relative to their neighbors — and the latter triumphs, time and again.
This isn't because people are stupid, or irrational, or don't know what they want. Rather, it's because the incentives are all fouled up. Frank calls it a "smart for one, dumb for all" problem, but it's really just a classic failure of collective action. An individual would be made worse off were he to unilaterally opt out of the positional competition. But we would all be better off if we decided collectively to ratchet down the economic one-upmanship and instead devote a bit more time and resources to the leisure goods we claim to desire.
Here in the sweltering D.C. summer, there's nothing worse than wearing a necktie when the thermometer reads 95 and the humidity is so thick you could swim laps. But on your own, there's not much you can do about this state of affairs. If you're the only one who shows up dressed down, you'll look bad for it. But if your office, or meeting, were to collectively decide to ease the dress code, all would be better off.
This is what the European Union just did, imposing new regulations on its bureaucrats barring ties in the summer. Cutting down on air-conditioning costs was the rationale, but centralized action was the only way to end the practice. Otherwise, every individual would still have had the incentive to show his commitment by dressing in a tie. Only the collective could remove that spur.
So too with vacations. Very few individual workers in the United States can ask for four weeks of vacation. It is not only outside the benefits of their job but far outside the culture of our workplace. The incentives for most every individual, particularly if they want to keep their position and amass a reputation as a good employee, is to abide by those norms.
But if the crowd outside "Sicko" was any indication, most people would love a substantial increase in vacation time. This is what other advanced nations have pursued, using the government's role as an enforcer of collective sentiment to legislate the preferences that individuals could not, on their own, enact.
In this country, we've left it to the individuals, and thus the average American worker only takes 13 days of vacation a year, and many get none. We could do better, but that would require sidestepping American individualism for a moment and engaging in some American collectivism. Yes yes, with all this bitching by the lower classes about how bad off we are, how on Earth will our capitalistic system ever survive?? Don't they realize that with hard work, one day they too might enjoy the spoils of overworking their own employees and denying them health care. Isn't it the American way?? Ok, sarcasm off. Now this topic is near and dear to my heart as well. I've had this conversation several times with my boss as well as co-workers. Every time they think i'm flat out lying about how much time off our counterparts in Europe (or any other industrialized nation for that matter) take off. That's how much we've been conditioned to see time off as either laziness or else adequate. It's also stunning just ho ignorant we all are as to how the rest of the industrialized world lives. That's no accident I think. Whenever anyone like Moore tries to show us, it's attack attack attack and empty baseless rhetoric about how "USA is # 1" and how we have the best standard of living in the ENTIRE WORLD!". All being declared by people who know NOTHING about how the rest of the industrialized world is living as compared to us. Jingoistic fervor and slogans are fine if you're unilaterally invading a country that had done nothing to you. It's quite pathetic when it's about things that directly affect you and your family, and the quality of your lives. Now I know Bush takes many vacations. And he's criticized for them. Rightly so. Why? Because decent vacation time shouldn't be the luxury of those better off than you and I. Just like health care shouldn't be a luxury for those with means. As I actually read some bullshit doctor who is buying up area hospitals and then dropping people with more expensive to treat condition's, argue in the local paper. I dunoo... We can criticize Moore's "bias" all we want. What we're discussing though is what the right likes to call "class warfare". [Some people in this country] think health care and vacations are privileges, the rest of the modern world thinks otherwise. One day American's are going to wise up and they're not going to be too happy with those who say they don't deserve to be looked at, treated, or to simply relax with their families for a respectable amount of time if they can't afford it. Especially when countries that we say we're better than are doing it without batting an eye. The rich are always going to get richer. Do we really need the poor fighting their battles to their own detriment for them all to the tune of "socialism socialism"!!!??? I'm actually looking forward to December when i'm going to take [6 weeks] off to bond with my baby. It's a California law. One my boss knows nothing about. This is the same boss who tried to "have a talk with me" last week because I missed 4 days of work. Yes, I missed 4 days of work because I had a raging fever and nasty viral infection and had to go to Emergency room. I was too sick to even stand much less drive so my wife took me to the emergency room. But of course all that didn't matter. What mattered was that I should go to work and not make excuses. God bless America. I was so pissed when I came back to work that i told him off as he was trying to "talk to me" about whether i wanted to "choose to hold on to my position or not". Y'know that slimy corporate doublespeak that is basically saying that if you want your title, you aern't allowed to get sick. Fuck that.
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I get 3.75 hrs. vacation time per pay period (every 2 weeks) that acrues and rolls over up 160 hours. I also get 5 days sick/bereavement time per year that does not roll over. Currently, I have just over 100 hours of vacation time and my sick time is all used up.
That is all.
Oderint, dum metuant.
You are a god damned idiot, you know that? You ought to be smacked upside your dumb-fuck head, even after all these years. Shame on you! -USCHI showin' some love
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Well, I get 4 weeks vacation. It would have been 5 weeks come next year but new management nixed that as apparently it was too generous a proposition for them to wrap their minds around.
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The last job I had when I lived in Sacramento gave everyone two weeks time off once you've worked there a month.
Since I liked that job I never took anytime off except for the week of Christmas. They also gave me the choice at the end of the year to either keep the time off or get paid for it. I would usually get two weeks worth of pay during Christmas and not working at all.
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I get 3.75 hrs. vacation time per pay period (every 2 weeks) that acrues and rolls over up 160 hours. I also get 5 days sick/bereavement time per year that does not roll over. Currently, I have just over 100 hours of vacation time and my sick time is all used up.
That is all. i only have 65 vac, and 15 sick  and 40 is gonna be gone in the next month.
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I'm not sure I quite get it. Is the bush mooning the neighbor? Or did the pruner just want to show the neighbor what he (old man/neighbor) looks like, weeding the garden all the time? Or whatever?
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Dood, it's an image. It's meant to make you chuckle then you go on with your life. No need to over anal-ize it.
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Maybe you should post it over and over again in every forum. Maybe then she'll get it.
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But I don't see the joke.
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Than it's a good thing there are men around here to explain things to you women.
Last edited by Joey From Friends; 2007-11-23 3:41 AM.
How you doin'?
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Well, y'all have failed so far. When do you start to explain?
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Jeremy posted it. You shouldn't give it much thought or you will turn into me.
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