Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
....he was talking about the fall of Rome and I was pointing out that all empires have their time and then fall from grace. It's not due to immigrants, it's due to many factors and the passage of time.


I assume that WB pointed out the theory that the rise of unassimilated immigrants was, in fact, a major contributing factor to the fall of Rome.

That being said, I agree with you that we shouldn't expect a culture to remain static. There's nothing wrong with certain new influences. The problem is when those new influences eschew what's good about the existing culture and/or otherwise create a threat to what's positive about a culture.

Not to beat a dead horse, or make the same arguments on this thread ad nauseaum, but I don't think anyone, including WB, is arguing that all immigration is bad just that there should be some limits.

The question then becomes what should the limits be. I assume that you agree that there should be some limiting factors, but I could be wrong. You might believe in a completely open border. If that's so, that's fine. But I don't think that those who believe in limits are necessary doing so out of ill will or racism.

So, rather than continue this whole "Ray/whomod/halo hates America" and "WB is a racist" debate, which has gone on for more pages than I care to think about (or, for that matter, even care about), might I suggest we try discussing what, if any limits, we think are appropriate and why?