Originally Posted By: the G-man
 Originally Posted By: Friendly Neighborhood Ray-man
....he was talking about the fall of Rome and I was pointing out that all empires have their time and then fall from grace. It's not due to immigrants, it's due to many factors and the passage of time.


I assume that WB pointed out the theory that the rise of unassimilated immigrants was, in fact, a major contributing factor to the fall of Rome.

That being said, I agree with you that we shouldn't expect a culture to remain static. There's nothing wrong with certain new influences. The problem is when those new influences eschew what's good about the existing culture and/or otherwise create a threat to what's positive about a culture.

Not to beat a dead horse, or make the same arguments on this thread ad nauseaum, but I don't think anyone, including WB, is arguing that all immigration is bad just that there should be some limits.

The question then becomes what should the limits be. I assume that you agree that there should be some limiting factors, but I could be wrong. You might believe in a completely open border. If that's so, that's fine. But I don't think that those who believe in limits are necessary doing so out of ill will or racism.

So, rather than continue this whole "Ray/whomod/halo hates America" and "WB is a racist" debate, which has gone on for more pages than I care to think about (or, for that matter, even care about), might I suggest we try discussing what, if any limits, we think are appropriate and why?

i think a good solution is actually bringing more immigrants into the system. at this point so many have to stay illegal that they can tell people back home that America is great as long as you don't get caught. but if they had to deal with all the hassles that citizens go through. I think one letter to Mexico about w2 forms and the DMV might discourage the large numbers.
they could also pass a law that any country that wants to outsource has to do so in North America. Then they make sure Mexico passes labor laws enough to get fair pay there.
That would discourage mass immigration since they'd have jobs and outsourcing (which i think is horrible) would at least be a help to us and our neighbors instead of paying people in India. Also that would have the side effect more Mexicans learning English (which wondy would like).

Bow ties are coool.