Rudy's basically waiting for Florida. It's a gamble but at the same time he avoides some of the heat from losing a couple of early states & has more money for the big states.
Once people see that he's basically a ghoul selling 9/11 over and over and his myth about how heroic HE was that day, he's pretty much over.
Okay, it seems like Rudy isn't going to give up his long, twilight struggle to truly embody his own parody. He's now passing off the difficulties of his 6th place Iowa finish and flagging campaign by saying it's nothing compared to the dangers he faced on 9/11.
"None of this worries me -- Sept. 11, there were times I was worried."
As a GOP operative I know loves to say, the man has "9/11 Tourettes." Can't help himself.
Originally Posted By: whomod
In response to tonight’s horrible defeat, Giulliani was quoted as saying, “9-11.”.
I swear, the man just can’t help himself. It’s got to be an involuntary reflex now.
When asked to comment on Hillary Clinton’s show of emotion just before the NH primary, Rudy Giuliani invoked once again the sum total of his campaign platform: 9/11
Quote:
I think everybody is their own person and they have to be their own person and this is not something that I would judge anybody on, one way or the other. And the reality is, if you’ll look at me, September 11, the funerals… the memorial services…there were times it was just impossible…not to feel …not to feel…not to feel the emotion.
He is now a parody of a caricature of himself. How can anyone take him seriously?
As recently as the summer, Rudy Giuliani was leading the field in Michigan’s Republican primary. As recently as early December, a Rasmussen poll showed him within two points of first place.
Yesterday, the former mayor finished a distant sixth, with a pathetic 2.8% of the vote. Consider this: Giuliani not only had well under half of Ron Paul’s support, he finished with a similar vote total to Dennis Kucinich — who was running in an uncontested primary and making no effort to actually win votes. Ouch.
It naturally came as no surprise, then, when I saw this CNN headline: “Romney win may give a boost to Giuliani’s White House bid.” Yes, it appears bad news is good news for Rudy.
Quote:
Mitt Romney’s win in his native state of Michigan appears to be good news for Rudy Giuliani’s bid for the GOP presidential nomination. […]
Giuliani’s campaign put out a statement Tuesday night congratulating the former Massachusetts governor on his win, adding that “he race remains fluid and competitive, [and] our strategy remains on track.”
Let’s see, Giuliani went from first to sixth in Iowa, first to fourth in New Hampshire, and first to sixth in Michigan. He’s tanking in South Carolina, he’s slipping in Florida, he’s losing to McCain in New York, and he’s blown a 26-point lead in New Jersey, where he’s now polling in single digits. All the while, his campaign has so little money that his senior aides aren’t even going to get paid in January.
Yes, of course, right “on track.”
I'm starting to hold out hope that this election is starting to slip away from the establishment and their media.
In his new Atlantic article called “After Iraq,” Jeffrey Goldberg recounts how in 2003, after an event on Kurdistan, neoconservative icon Norman Podhoretz, who is America’s foremost proponent of bombing Iran, asked him “What’s a Kurd, anyway?“:
Quote:
Just before the “Mission Accomplished” phase of the war, I spoke about Kurdistan to an audience that included Norman Podhoretz, the vicariously martial neoconservative who is now a Middle East adviser to Rudolph Giuliani. After the event, Podhoretz seemed authentically bewildered. “What’s a Kurd, anyway?” he asked me.
Yes, Rudy Guliani is more qualified to conduct US foreign policy seeing as how he picks only the best, most informed people to advise him.
Since it's the thing to do among the GOP in Florida now, here's the trailblazer himself, Rudy Guliani, taking time off from demonizing latino's and releasing a campaign ad, IN SPANISH!!!
Originally Posted By: whomod
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
WONDER BOOOOOOOOY, WHERE ARE YOU????
Like many of the other GOP presidential candidates, former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani had tried to portray himself as tough on undocumented immigration. One of his favorite applause lines has been to stress English-only policies:
The final end result about becoming a citizen — you should be able to have to read English, write English, and speak English if you want to become a citizen.
Nevertheless, Giuliani wants the votes of Floridians who speak Spanish. Today, he has released a new campaign ad en español to air on at least three Spanish-language television stations in Miami. At the end of the ad — called Liderazgo (Leadership) — Giuliani says, “Soy Rudy Giuliani y apruebo este mensaje (I’m Rudy Giuliani and I approved this message).” Watch it:
Last fall, the owner of Philadelphia cheesesteak restaurant Geno’s Steaks endorsed Giuliani. Vento became notorious for posting a sign in his restaurant that read: “This is America. When Ordering Please Speak English.” He also once told a reporter that Mexicans carry disease into the United States because they “play and drink out of the same water.”
Giuliani wholeheartedly embraced Vento’s endorsement, posting it on the campaign’s official YouTube site. Giuliani also personally went to Philadelphia and embraced Vento. “Whenever I’m at Geno’s, I order in English,” he told a reporter. From his visit:
Will Vento post a similar sign for Giuliani? “This is America. When Campaigning, Please Speak English.”
If Rudy Giuliani finishes a distant third in the Florida primary on Tuesday -- as current polls suggest he will -- his strategy to play rope-a-dope for the first few presidential rounds before Florida will look like the worst decision since new Coke, perhaps the worst since the designated hitter.
Whoda thunk that the guy who led in most national polls for a year could turn himself into an also-ran in a matter of weeks, just by not being part of the conversation? There's a lesson here, and it probably has to do with having to engage as soon as the battle is joined. The prevent defense doesn't work any better in politics than it does in football. And you sure don't use it in the first quarter.
I hate to say it, but I think Rudy blew it. It looks like I'm stuck with either McCain or Romney.
New York Post: As underdog Rudy Giuliani tried to rally Florida supporters yesterday, the state's governor Charlie Crist dealt him a blow by endorsing rival Republican John McCain.
I told you last year that he wasn't going to get the nom. If you'd have just listened to me, your heart wouldn't be broken right now.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Yeah, but most of the reasons that people said he wouldn't get the nom (being a moderate, being divorced) also applied to McCain and I figure there's a seventy-five percent change (or better) that he will.
So who knows? I never thought Barack Hussein Obama would be the one giving the Hildebeast a run for her money either. I figured Edwards would be a much more credible candidate than he turned out to be.
I told you last year that he wasn't going to get the nom. If you'd have just listened to me, your heart wouldn't be broken right now.
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Well, I guess I have to live with a McCain presidency.
If McCain wins there will be a strong chance he would put Rudy on the ticket and if that happened I would vote Republican again this year which is what I would like to do but absolutely will not if Romney wins. I can't believ I might actually vote for Hillary. Obama I could see, but Hillary!
I wouldn't worry, P. I think that, short of some unexpected event, McCain has the nomination sewn up at this point.
I doubt he would make Rudy his VP since they are both moderates. If he picks Rudy for anything, it will be Attorney General.
My best guess is that, if McCain picks anyone who ran for President this time as a running mate, he'll pick Thompson. They are good friends and Thompson has a lot of support in the conservative wing of the party.
I told you last year that he wasn't going to get the nom. If you'd have just listened to me, your heart wouldn't be broken right now.
That's okay. Come here. Burying my face in your tah-tah's will make everything all better.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
I wouldn't worry, P. I think that, short of some unexpected event, McCain has the nomination sewn up at this point.
We still haven't seen the majority of the Southeast just yet. Huckabee might throw a wrench in that plan if the evangelicals come out in force.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
Originally Posted By: The New Adventures of Old PJP
are you talking to me? They are pretty hairy.
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whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
NY is quite possibly (with the possible exception of Massachusetts) the bluest of blue states. I don't think putting Rudy on the ticket would be enough for McCain to win there, especially if the Hildebeast the right Honorable Mrs. Clinton is the nominee.
I think Rudy could help him in NJ and Connecticut but I suspect that the endorsement alone could do that. On the other hand, Thompson would help him in the south more.
I wouldn't worry, P. I think that, short of some unexpected event, McCain has the nomination sewn up at this point.
Originally Posted By: thedoctor
We still haven't seen the majority of the Southeast just yet. Huckabee might throw a wrench in that plan if the evangelicals come out in force.
The next big event is, of course, Super Tuesday. The following big delegate states hold their primaries that day: California, New York, Georgia, Missouri, Illinois and New Jersey.
I don't see how McCain doesn't win CA, NY, IL and NJ. Huckabee might pick up Georgia or Missouri, but he still has Romney to contend with in those states.
In regard to the other Super Tuesday states, the Associated Press notes:
Of the 15 other states that will vote, three are home states that each candidate is all but certain to win — Arizona for McCain, Massachusetts for Romney and Arkansas for Huckabee.
Utah is essentially a second home for Romney; its large Mormon population is likely to give him a win. He also will look to win in states that hold caucuses — Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, North Dakota — and one that holds a state convention, West Virginia.
McCain could do well in Western states of Oklahoma and New Mexico, as well as moderate Northeastern states like Connecticut and Delaware. Huckabee will look to a Southern swath of conservative bastions like Tennessee to validate his weakened candidacy.
Montana is a wild card.
So, I think you're correct that Huckabee might pick up support in the south. However, when you look at McCain's lead in the delegate rich states and the fact that he's already the frontrunner in terms of delegates, I think it would be very, very, hard for Huckabee to win at this point.
Huckabee wasn't supposed to win Iowa; and McCain had pretty much been discounted until New Hampshire. There were also many who said that McCain was too moderate to take South Carolina. I'm not putting much stock into the polls and political analysts at the moment. If this election year has shown us anything, it's that the unexpected can happen.
whomod said: I generally don't like it when people decide to play by the rules against people who don't play by the rules. It tends to put you immediately at a disadvantage and IMO is a sign of true weakness. This is true both in politics and on the internet."
I admit that anything's possible. However, every primary that a candidate doesn't come in first or second is a primary that tends to put that candidate further behind in the pack.
What's your beef with McCain G-man? I thought you'd like someone who will keep fighting in Iraq (until the job is done).
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The American Spectator has a pretty good analysis of why Rudy lost. It had less to do with the evangelicals in the south (most of those states haven't voted yet) and more to do with running a sloppy campaign.
The New York Post is reporting that Rudy is weighing a run for NY governor. I hope that's the case. As noted waaay back when this thread began I had sort've hoped he'd run for governor instead of the presidency.
he should it brought out the best in America and people should be reminded that the country isnt made up of the scum that make the nightly news casts...
no it's made up of scum who use the death of thousands to prop up political careers and ignore the causes of the attacks in order to promote a specific political view.
as much as it angers the left wingers like you ray, americans were united in support of each other, all the left wing bickering you can bring cant undo that. by and large americans(like most of the world) are good honest, decent people, it just isnt shown on the news every night, someday i hope youll wake up and realize it isnt a big conspiracy out to get you and youll be able to let all the anger go....
Ray's a nice guy and can be funny, but he's one of those people who got so caught up in the whole San Francisco "we're all the same, no one is better than anyone else, who are we to judge" PC mentality that he can't recognize when someone-or some group-is out and out wrong or evil.
as much as it angers the left wingers like you ray, americans were united in support of each other, all the left wing bickering you can bring cant undo that. by and large americans(like most of the world) are good honest, decent people, it just isnt shown on the news every night, someday i hope youll wake up and realize it isnt a big conspiracy out to get you and youll be able to let all the anger go....
we're not really talking about the national mood after the event, we're talking about him using 9/11 constantly as a way to bolster his political career.
Ray, like it or not, it is perfectly proper to judge politicians on how they responded to a crisis. It's part of their record.
Rudy's record includes, successfully in the minds of most people, his response to 9/11. As such, its not only proper for him to run on it, it would be foolish not to.
Furthermore, the left's attacks on Bush's response to 9/11 and Katrina show that they think it's perfectly legitimate to discuss how a politician responds to a crisis albeit, in the case of Bush, when the discussion is critical.
You can't have it both ways, Ray. If its appropriate to criticize one Republican for his response to 9/11, its appropriate for another Republican to point out why his response deserves kudos.
does Guilliani talk much about his personal response, or how we need to be ready and no lax, and how the people of this country worked together? I've not seen every Guilliani speech, but I've never heard him blow his own horn about 9/11.
The terrorist attacks of 9-11 killed many of his friends and had a great impact on his life, if he wants to crusade that it never happens again, I would find it hard to begrudge him that. Just because he isnt of the same political party as you Ray doesnt mean he is evil.
