I never said he invented it, I said he helped introduce it, which he did.
10 to 15 years after I saw it?
yes. look, I remember watching a four way dance on WCW back in late '89 that had Pillman, Eddie Gilbert, and a couple of other guys. (Pillman won, btw) but that match didn't lead to any big scale uses of the concept. whereas the matches in ECW did lead to bigger uses in the E and WCW. Douglas was a big part of that.
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oh? considering this is the first time I've ever seen or heard anything about this in my twenty years of being a wrestling fan I'd like to know more about that.
what's to tell theyd often have 2 heels vs the baby face at house shows, especially if there was a big tv angle. at the show i went to it was gunna be piper and orton, but orton didnt/couldnt make it....
what's NOT to tell? Piper, Orndorff, and Snuka in a three way match in the mid 80's? that's gold. I'd love to know more about that.
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yes, I know it was his brainchild, as I also know that Douglas was his mouthpiece for the formative years of ECW.
yes it's well known heyman coulnt afford real talent, and would often put a guy in the lead he thought didnt have what it takes to make it in the big leagues
well, in the cases of guys like Sandman, Justin Credible, etc. I'll agree with you. but as far the likes of Douglas, Raven, Taz, Rhino, RVD, Sabu, I don't agree at all.
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really? so they were ECW World Champions? Foley's promos were indeed successful and are considered not only highlights of ECW, but also instrumental in his later career. but Austin was only there for a few months and barely wrestled. it did help him prepare for his "Stone Cold" run, but he wasn't around long enough to be "more successful in ECW".
dont be a whomod, you know what i meant. they were actually more succesful at pulling it off, they sounded like guys with real "heat" with WCW, wheras Douglas sounded like a spurned lover...plus they held titles in real organizations i dont think they needed a indy title to get over...
again, I disagree. I think Douglas' ECW mic work is as good as theirs was. without him popularizing it in the first place, they likely wouldn't have done it, as it probably wouldn't have become a staple of the fed.
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the revolution may have died, but that doesn't mean it never happened.
way to backstep, normally when someone says someone revolutionized a industry, they are talking of lasting change.
not at all. though my point wasn't clear enough. when I refer to "the revolution" in wrestling terms, I mean ECW as an organization itself. which is dead, though their effects are still felt.
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eddie van halen revolutionized music, you dont hear a lot of people saying Wham did....
if you say so, although I've never been a huge fan of either. now if you had brought up the Ramones, then you'd be speaking my language. The Ramones created a musical revolution and although many claim "punk is dead", the effects of what The Ramones did are still felt years later. kinda like ECW. maybe that makes my position a little more clear.
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I disagree. Douglas' character DID play a large role in ECW, which brought about transformation in the wrestling industry.
you coulda plugged any low key WCW jobber in and had the same effect, remember Paul played to their strengths, had Leni Lane been available he coulda been the mouth piece...
I know you meant to be facetious here, but honestly, I could see Lenny Lane doing well with a good push. Buff Bagwell, on the other hand. . .
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it couldn't be overcome by Mcmahon, because he only understands one formula. seems to me that Heyman overcame it pretty well.
yes if only vince understood the could understand the wrestling business as well as heyman, he could be writing pop culture pieces for a british tabloid, instead of being stuck as ceo of the largest wrestling companies in the world, the man certainly could take promoting leasons from heyman
hey, one guy turned Taz into a mini monster, the other turned him into a fat, crappy joke of an announcer. I know which one I prefer to watch.
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sorry, but I don't rate Vern Gagne's vanity title as highly as some people do. he was the Jeff Jarrett of his day. you have to separate your love for The Model from the fact that he doesn't have any long lasting impact on the industry as a whole.
lasting impact? you just agreed that nothing douglas did is still a factor?
nope. hopefully I clarified that for you above.
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the list is top wrestlers, not One Dimensional WCW Saturday Night Jobbers Who Got To Carry A Belt With No Fear Of Jumping Ship Because He Sucks Top 100
but he did jump ship. twice. if he sucked that bad, why were the E and WCW so anxious to hire him?
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You'll not find any serious wrestling historian that finds Douglas to be a better all around worker than Martel.
"serious wrestling historians"? what makes the opinion of a "serious wrestling historian" any more credible than anyone else's? what is a "serious wrestling historian" and what are their credentials?
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Douglas was great in his role, but honestly as good as he was, he's a skidmark on wrestling history, a few years at the top of a famous Indy is not the same as a really good 12 - 15 year run that Martel had no matter how you look at it.
again, I have to disagree. I found Douglas' ECW runs a lot more memorable and exciting than anything Martel ever did. I think we're just gonna have to disagree here.
