RKMBs Forums .::Robegories::. Sports and Wrestling Pulse Wrestling's Top 100 of the Modern Era

i like the noting of dragon and piper and especially lawler. the king is one i'd probably add to mine, as well, perhaps in place of andre for the reason you mentioned. twas just a personal decision, as i actually watched andre wrestle and only heard about the heyday of lawler. but, if anything, the andy kaufman bits would put lawler on the list, in terms of braeking into mainstream (in addition, of course, to that wrestling stuff)

some quetsions: i was surprised you think jake the snake is 5 all time -- esplain!

and how come stone cold so low; versus, say, the rock rating much higher?

but, if anything, the andy kaufman bits would put lawler on the list, in terms of braeking into mainstream (in addition, of course, to that wrestling stuff)

some quetsions: i was surprised you think jake the snake is 5 all time -- esplain!

Is it really true that Jake Roberts invented the DDT move?

The DDT was years ahead of its time, nowadays everyone has a snap finisher of some sort.

i live over 6 hrs from memphis but as a kid we absorbed wrestling on the giant satellite dish wherever we could find it, and jerry lawler in his prime had the charisma of the rock to his audience with 10 times the ability...

He was wrestling a guy, had him in a front headlock, and was walking backwards when the guy accidentally stepped on his foot, causing him to fall backwards. Jake popped up quick like it was on purpose, and the other guy was clever enough to stay down and sell it as a finisher.

i remember the DDT and the sleeper hold being fatal early on

i remember the DDT and the sleeper hold being fatal early on

Lawler was gigantic in and around Memphis. Not really a good mat wrestler, but his style was perfect for a Tenn. kid; and his promotion was brilliant. He and Jerry Jarret switched booking duties every six months, so Lawler was responsible for a lot of the great matches and angles (like his feud with Terry Funk). And, yes, before Vince tried to get mainstream, Lawler beat him to it with one of TV's biggest stars at the moment.

for your mockery, here's how i would list out a top 10, taking as many factors into consideration as i could; career, skill, popularity, impact, legend, legacy, influence, feuds, etc.


10) bret hart

• he had a shorter career, which is why i ranked him lower. but he has big name recognition. amazing technical skill, perhaps best of the top ten. he's involved in one of the most famous wrestling-fan events of all time; the "screw job" and relating dramatic defection to wcw. his legacy remains today, some ten years out of the business; "you screwed bret" is still passionately chanted and debated.

9) the rock

• truly the people's champ, working fan appeal into a career. working the mic and telling a story in the ring to get the crowd into whatever he was doing. great atheletic ability, great energy. liked amongst his colleagues. able to succesfully branch out into other venues and industries like none before.

8) andre

• carried over from the pre-modern era (as billed by this list) to the "wrestlemania" era. enormous impact for enormous size. legendary name, long running career. life found interest outside of the business into movies and documentaries.

7) macho man

• amazing character recognition for all facets, from persona to voice to sayings to style and in-ring performance. long run over two federations, building stables of abilities. full package of wrestling skill and performance skill. famous feuds and battles.

6) shawn michaels

• essentially has two careers, both impressive on their own. amazing in ring skill, puts on a great show, can carry matches single-handedly. helped keep the wwf running in the business lull and helped bring it back during the climb up to the top. continues to contribute and perform at a high level.

5) triple

• storied career of title reigns and feuds. great legacy of staying on top while putting others over (often forgotten). impossible to ignore his involvement in current and certainly future of the business overall from a creative / ownership standpoint.

4) taker

• incredible, long career. iconic character and theme. instant recognition, consistant pop. dedicated run in a single federation. continues to operate at a top level, generally unheard of for someone of his age or size.

3) stone cold

• helped revive the industry and establish a rejected career. carried a defeated promotion on his back towards the top of the pile. definitive character to define an era. very good in ring skill, at least early on, to carry matches.

2) flair

• insurmountable industry career, from character to ring skills to mic skills to feuds to length-of-career to working with others and putting them over. has the respect of his peers, and has carried multiple federations on his back. continues to put his all into matches decades after starting to put his all into matches. he is wrestling.

1) hogan

• by adding the characteristic of sheer impact, he simply has to be top choice. flair has the wrestling appeal, and will likely dominate the internet/smart vote, but to the business as a whole, hogan has no competition. flair keeps things going in the ring and those in that world, but hogan brought eyes to flair and the business as a whole. title runs, building wrestlemania and hulkamania and the wwf overall, the key to the nwo and building the wcw overall, even all of his behind-the-scenes dictatorness all give him unparalleled clout, for better or worse. his mic skills, charisma, story-telling, and two iconic characters are amazing, and would certainly guarantee him mention in a top ten, but its his overall legacy and legend that lock him in as the top spot.

I shit on Hogan again and again.

I like how Gail Kims tights ride up her crack.

[paraphrase]Roy said some good shit about the differences between Hogan and Flair[/paraphrase]

If Rob wants to get one over ROY he better fuck a pornstar as well. Like Jake Steed.

Flair could wrestle an hour.

42. ROB VAN DAM

Real Name - Robert Szatkowski
Hometown - Battle Creek, Michigan
Aliases - Robbie V; Rob Szatkowski
Debut - 1990
Titles Held - WWE Championship; ECW Championship;
WWE Intercontinental (6x); ASW North American; ECW World Tag Team (2x – with Sabu); ECW World Television; WWE European; WWE Tag Team (with Rey Mysterio); WWF Hardcore (4x); WWE World Tag Team (2x – 1 with Kane, 1 with Booker T); SAPW Tag Team (with Chaz Rocco); IWF Television
Other Accomplishments - Mr. Money in the Bank 2006; trained kickboxer and martial artist; invented and holds record of the Van Dam Lift in weightlifting; longest reigning ECW Television champion; Final WWE European champion; Final WWF Hardcore champion; Fifteenth man to achieve WWE Triple Crown status (holding WWE World, Tag Team, and Intercontinental titles; Sixth man to achieve WWE Grand Slam status (holding WWE World, Tag Team, Intercontinental, and European titles)

Not many professional wrestlers make their debut at a WWE show, but Rob Van Dam did. When he was only a teenager, he was pulled from the crowd to accept a challenge from the Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase – if he would kiss DiBiase’s feet, he would receive one hundred dollars. Van Dam did and got the money.

At the age of 18 Van Dam began training with the legendary Sheik, joining the ranks of other legendary wrestlers like Sabu, Raven, Scott Steiner, and Greg Valentine.

In 1990, Van Dam made his in-ring debut under his given name. He began competing on the independent circuit and soon earned a place on the USWA roster as he replaced Chris Candido.

His next stop after leaving the USWA was South Atlantic Pro Wrestling. It was here in July of 1992 that he won his first title – the SAPW Tag Team belts with partner Chaz Rocco. He also feuded with Rikki Nelson over the SAPW Light Heavyweight title. Also about this time he began using his familiar Rob Van Dam name.

From there he headed to WCW and under went another name change. Now he was Robbie V, who debuted by battling Scotty Flamingo (better known as Raven).

Unfortunately, Van Dam’s timing was bad. Not long after his debut, Bill Watts was given control of the WCW book. Needless to say, Van Dam’s wrestling style didn’t appeal at all to the old-school minded Watts. In addition, Watts soon banned moves off the top rope. A frustrated Van Dam left the company in 1993.

Van Dam’s next stop was Japan, where he competed for All-Japan Pro Wrestling. While there, he was a constant threat to Dan Kroffat (WWF’s Phil LaFon) and his AJPW World Junior Heavyweight title.

While Van Dam continued competing on the US indy scene as well, 1996 saw his silver screen debut in a film called “Superfights.” He also appeared in “Bloodmoon.”

Also in 1996, Van Dam signed a deal with Extreme Championship Wrestling. He debuted at House Party and defeated Axl Rotten. The crowd fell in love with Van Dam’s move set and mannerisms and Van Dam’s popularity began to skyrocket.

1996 also saw the beginning of one of Van Dam’s most legendary feuds. At Hostile City Showdown, Van Dam lost a match to Sabu and refused to shake hands with him after the match. The follow-up, at a Matter of Respect, again saw Van Dam refuse a handshake (Van Dam evened the score with a victory that night). Van Dam also soon turned full-on heel and began working with manager Bill Alfonso.

Even as the feud with Sabu continued to simmer, Van Dam soon had other problems on his mind as he defeated Doug Furnas at the Natural Born Killaz show. After the match Furnas refused a handshake and punched Van Dam instead. Soon Furnas brought longtime partner Kroffat into the mix and Van Dam needed a partner of his own. He turned to longtime foe Sabu.

After disposing of Furnas and Kroffat, the Eliminators (Perry Saturn and John Kronus) were next in line. The feud carried on into 1997 as Sabu and Van Dam were continually unsuccessful in getting the tag team titles away from the Eliminators.

Van Dam, in true Van Dam form, was also stirring up trouble on another front. While the feud with the Eliminators was going on, Van Dam also began feuding with Taz. That feud ended at 1996’s Holiday Hell, when Taz knocked Van Dam out to settle things decisively.

April of 1997 saw problems begin boiling backstage between Van Dam and Paul Heyman. At Barely Legal, Lance Storm was scheduled to face Chris Candido, who was sidelined with an injury. Van Dam came out instead and defeated Storm, then grabbed a microphone and bashed Heyman for only bringing him out as a backup.

May of 1997 saw ECW invade the WWF’s Monday Night Raw program. Van Dam earned his first victory by defeating an unknown named Jeff Hardy on May 12.

WWF commentator Jerry Lawler was outraged. He constantly berated ECW as a second-rate promotion and vowed to show up in ECW himself.

Lawler had backup when he arrived – RVD and Sabu. Van Dam and Sabu soon found themselves involved as well in Lawler’s feud with Tommy Dreamer.

Even after Lawler’s departure, the Van Dam-Dreamer feud continued to boil in ECW. In December of 1997, Van Dam, Sabu, Furnas, and LaFon faced Dreamer, the Sandman, Taz, and Al Snow in their final battle. Dreamer’s team won the match.

1998 saw Van Dam begin to have problems with Shane Douglas’s Triple Threat. The problems only intensified in April, when Van Dam defeated Bam Bam Bigelow to win the ECW Television title.

The title contributed to problems as Sabu soon became interested in winning the belt. Van Dam and Sabu faced each other at Wrestlepalooza, which went to a time limit draw.

At the 1998 Matter of Respect, Van Dam and Sabu were forced to team with the tag team champions in a match which saw Van Dam and Storm take on Sabu and Chris Candido. Van Dam and Storm reunited and obliterated the champions, ending the match in a no contest.

June 27th saw Van Dam and Sabu finally win the tag team titles. They held them until October 24 when the Dudley Boyz (with help from the Triple Threat) took the belts away.

Van Dam and Sabu would not be denied, however. At the time, ECW had a working relationship with Japan’s FMW promotion. At a December FMW show, Sabu and Van Dam defeated the Dudleys and regained the titles.

April 17th of 1999 was supposed to feature a title rematch between Van Dam and Sabu and the Dudleys. However, shortly before the match, Sabu was suspended by ECW. That resulted in a singles match between Van Dam and D-Von Dudley. When D-Von won the match, he also brought the tag team belts back to Dudleyville.

With Sabu gone, Van Dam’s attention was focused squarely on the Television title. During the remainder of 1999, Van Dam engaged in a classic series of matches against Jerry Lynn. Although Lynn was never able to win the belt, his popularity grew because of how well he and Van Dam meshed in the ring.

As 2000 began, Van Dam found himself feuding with Steve Corino’s monster Rhino with a champion vs. champion match against Mike Awesome on the horizon. Plans went awry on January 29, when Van Dam broke his ankle during a title defense against Rhino. Although he finished the match, Van Dam was forced to surrender the title due to his injury, which ended his nearly two year long reign.

Van Dam returned in May at the Hardcore Heaven show where he once again faced Jerry Lynn. The match ended with Lynn finally getting a win over Van Dam (with a bit of help from Scotty Anton (WCW’s Scotty Riggs)). Van Dam would get revenge on Anton at Heat Wave.

With his business with Anton settled, Van Dam resumed his chase for the Television title. Although he had plenty of opportunities to win it back from Rhino, Rhino always seemed to have friends right there to help him retain.

Shortly after October’s Hardcore Heaven, Van Dam stopped making regular appearances for ECW. Paul Heyman owed Van Dam a great deal of money and Van Dam refused to appear until he was paid.

Van Dam’s final ECW appearance came in January of 2001 at Guilty As Charged. In the main event, Van Dam defeated Jerry Lynn to end ECW’s final PPV.

In July of 2001, Van Dam made his WWF debut as he and Dreamer signaled the return of ECW. Van Dam remained firmly in the Alliance throughout the Invasion. After the Alliance’s loss at Survivor Series, Van Dam was safe as he held the Hardcore title (all Alliance members other than title holders were fired, according to the storyline).

After the Invasion, Van Dam lost the Hardcore title to the Undertaker and entered the chase for William Regal’s Intercontinental title. Van Dam finally captured the belt at Wrestlemania XVIII and was drafted to Raw shortly thereafter in the first Draft Lottery.

Van Dam spent the spring feuding with Eddie Guerrero over the Intercontinental title, but turned his attention to Brock Lesnar in the summer. July 21 also marked a high water mark for Van Dam as he defeated Jeff Hardy to unify the Intercontinental and European titles.

After losing the title to Chris Benoit, Van Dam regained the belt at Summerslam and quickly defeated Tommy Dreamer to also unify the Intercontinental and Hardcore titles. Van Dam lost the belt in August to Chris Jericho (with Triple H’s help), but had other things on his mind – namely, Triple H’s World title.

Even after Triple H lost the title to Shawn Michaels, Van Dam continued to dog both their heels.

Things changed, however, going into 2003. Van Dam had begun teaming with Kane in October, and the duo won the World Tag Team titles on March 31.

The two entered a feud with La Resistance (Rene Dupree and Sylvain Grenier) that ran until Bad Blood, when La Resistance captured the belts. Afterward, Kane and Van Dam split with Kane telling Van Dam he’d never liked him. Needless to say, the former tag team partners began feuding which ended after Kane defeated Van Dam in a steel cage on September 8.

Van Dam then focused on the Intercontinental title and began feuding with the two men who were already fighting over the belt – Chris Jericho and Christian. On the September 27th Raw, Van Dam defeated Christian in a ladder match to regain the title.

His reign would only last a month. On October 23rd, Jericho regained the belt after Eric Bischoff distracted the referee during a Van Dam title defense. Steve Austin ordered an immediate rematch, and Van Dam took the belt right back.

His next feud was with Randy Orton and Evolution. Orton captured the title at Armageddon and Van Dam also lost the rematch.

In January, Van Dam and Booker T began teaming together. The team paid off in February, when they defeated Evolution members Ric Flair and Batista to win the World Tag Team titles. Evolution regained the belts on March 22.

That very night, Van Dam’s Raw run ended as he was drafted to Smackdown and his focus shifted to the United States title after a short run with Rey Mysterio battling the Dudley Boyz. Van Dam would never with the United States belt.

In 2004, Van Dam and Rey resumed their partnership. December saw the two defeating Kenzo Suzuki and Renee Dupree to win the tag team titles. The reign was cut short by a knee injury to Van Dam. To move the titles, he and Rey were defeated by the Basham Brothers, who focused on Van Dam’s knee.

Van Dam spent the rest of 2005 on the shelf with his knee injury. He appeared at ECW’s One Night Stand PPV where he appeared with Bill Alfonso and was attacked by Rhyno. The two were saved by Sabu, who then went into an unadvertised match against Rhyno.

Also, Van Dam was drafted back to Raw in the Draft Lottery. He then appeared in Carlito’s Cabana, where Carlito introduced him to Raw by assaulting him.

Van Dam returned at the 2006 Royal Rumble, where he was the person who eliminated Carlito. Unfortunately, he was also accidentally eliminated by Rey Mysterio.

At Wrestlemania, Van Dam won the Money in the Bank match, which assured him of a guaranteed title shot. May saw Van Dam inform John Cena that he would be cashing in his title shot at One Night Stand.

At One Night Stand, Van Dam defeated Cena to become the WWE champion. In addition, shortly before the show another draft had been held – this one for the new ECW startup. Van Dam was one of Heyman’s first choices.

On the debut episode of ECW on Sci-Fi, Heyman also awarded Van Dam the ECW World Heavyweight title.

Again, this would be a short reign. Not long afterward, Van Dam and Sabu were arrested for possession during a traffic stop. Van Dam lost the WWE title to Edge on July 3rd, and lost the ECW title to the Big Show the next night before beginning a thirty day suspension.

Van Dam allied himself with the ECW Originals when he returned and feuded with the New Breed. However, although he again received title shots, he was never able to regain the ECW title. After a match with Randy Orton at the 2007 One Night Stand, Van Dam was stretchered out after suffering a storyline concussion. In reality, Van Dam left the WWE shortly after that match.

To date, Van Dam has only made one appearance with WWE since that show. At the fifteenth anniversary episode of Raw, Van Dam defeated Santino Marella in less than a minute with the Five Star Frog Splash.

For nearly twenty years, Van Dam has demonstrated his superior athletic ability in the ring. He has created jaw-dropping new moves like the Van Daminator and Van Terminator. He won over the jaded fans in Philadelphia and became one of ECW’s biggest stars.

While Van Dam is not currently wrestling, he is still remembered fondly by wrestling fans. He blended the high-flying style with hardcore brawling in a unique combination that helped him stand apart from the rest of the pack in competition, and which has also earned him his place on this list of the top 100 wrestlers of the modern era.

I didn't read all that.

Does that count the time he spent outside the ring avoiding his opponent and playing mind games?

You didn't even read my posts? You beech!

41. NICK BOCKWINKEL

Real Name - Nick Bockwinkel
Aliases - Dick Warren; The Sensational White Phantom
Hometown - St. Paul, Minnesota
Debuted - 1955
Titles Held - AWA World Heavyweight (4x) ; NWA Florida Tag Team (with Ray Stevens) ; AWA World Heavyweight (Calgary version); AWA World Tag Team (4x, with Ray Stevens); AWA Southern Heavyweight; NWA Georgia Heavyweight (2x); NWA Georgia Television (3x); NWA World Tag Team (Texas version, with Ricky Romero); NWA International Television; NWA Hawaii Heavyweight (2x); NWA Hawaii Tag Team (with Bobby Shane); NWA United States Heavyweight (Hawaii version); NWA World Tag Team (San Francisco version, 2x with Ramon Torres); NWA Pacific Northwest Heavyweight; NWA Pacific Northwest Tag Team (3x, 2 with Nick Kozak, 1 with Buddy Mareno); WWA International Tag Team Television (2x, 1 with Edouard Carpentier, 1 with Lord James Blears)
Other Accomplishments - First NWA United States Heavyweight champion (Hawaii version) ; Appeared on Hollywood Squares in 1968 ; Appeared on Hawaii 5-0 and the Monkees ; Won PWI Tag Team of the Year award in 1973 (with Ray Stevens); Named #18 of 500 Best Singles Wrestlers from the PWI Years by Pro Wrestling Illustrated ; WCW Hall of Fame member (class of 1994); Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame member (class of 1996) ; Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame member (class of 2003) ; Member of WWE Hall of Fame (class of 2007) , Former WCW Commissioner; Current President of the Cauliflower Alley Club; Current AWA Superstars Commissioner

It might be surprising to see Nick Bockwinkel’s name on a list of the top wrestlers of the modern age (which was considered to be from roughly 1980 to the present). What could a man who was 46 in 1980 have to bring to the table? Plenty.

Even leading up to the 1980 timeframe, Bockwinkel had had many high points in his career. He had won the AWA World title in 1975 for the first time, which ended Verne Gagne’s seven year title reign. In 1979, he had wrestled Bob Backlund in the first ever WWWF-AWA title unification match (the match had ended in a double countout).

Although Bockwinkel lost the title to Gagne in July of 1980, he regained the title less than a year later when it was present to him upon Gagne’s retirement. Despite his advancing age, Bockwinkel still maintained a strong presence at the top of the cards. He would be the dominant champion until 1987, when he lost the title for the final time to Curt Hennig.

One of the reasons that Bockwinkel was one of Gagne’s favorites was because of the fact that he was extremely technically sound. Bockwinkel had been trained by his father and the legendary Lou Thesz, who made sure that his skills were more than adequate.

Bockwinkel was also unusual on the microphone. Bockwinkel had several traits which are now associated with Ric Flair years before Flair had picked them up. Bockwinkel was always immaculately dressed in a designer suit and tie. Rather than screaming promos, Bockwinkel spoke calmly and with words that conveyed his intelligence. By doing this, Bockwinkel showed that he was not just a raving fighter. He was a strategist. The fact that (until 1984, anyway) he was managed by the devious Bobby Heenan was just an added advantage.

As mentioned above, Bockwinkel lost the belt for the last time in 1987 to Curt Hennig in a match that Hennig only won after nailing Bockwinkel with a roll of dimes that Larry Zbyszko had passed him. Although Bockwinkel retired later that year, he did get revenge on Zbyszko by clocking him with another roll of coins for the victory.

After Bockwinkel retired, he still remained active in the business. His next stop was the WWF, where he worked as a road agent. Bockwinkel next showed up onscreen at the 1993 Slamboree, where he wrestled Dory Funk Jr. in one of the best legends on the card. In 1994 Bockwinkel became the WCW Commissioner, a job he held for about a year.

More recently, Bockwinkel served as the commissioner of the short-lived Japan Pro Wrestling Association. Today he appears as the onscreen commissioner for Dale Gagner’s new AWA as well as serving as president of the Cauliflower Alley Club.

Although a great deal of Bockwinkel’s success came in the 1970’s, he still had plenty of gas left in the tank going into the 1980’s. This is especially remarkable when you consider the fact that Bockwinkel was 52 years old when he lost the belt to Curt Hennig.

Bockwinkel’s career still resonates today. Although he never worked as a trainer and the company that he became identified with, the AWA, was not as widely known as the WWF, he played the role of the smooth, suave heel to perfection in a way that many of today’s wrestlers can only hope to aspire to. Nick Bockwinkel is truly a living legend and has more than earned his position on this list of the top 100 wrestlers of the modern era.

ROY says that any top 10 that doesnt include Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks and Catweasel, is a pile of Hogan!

Eh?
How the fuck does a guy who most modern era fans have never heard of, rank above so many bigger names?

I dont doubt he was great in the 70s, but come on, was he really that much of a name in the modern era?